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From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 56691@debbugs.gnu.org, hello@paulwrankin.com
Subject: bug#56691: outline-minor-mode displays navigation arrow buttons as emojis
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:47:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o7x8jai8.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83sfmk6nze.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 29 Jul 2022 16:35:17 +0300")

>>>>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 16:35:17 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:

    >> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
    >> Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>,  hello@paulwrankin.com,
    >> 56691@debbugs.gnu.org
    >> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2022 14:48:01 +0200
    >> 
    Eli> (font-get (font-at 0 nil "😄") :family)
    Eli> => Symbola
    >> 
    >> There are dozens if not hundreds of fonts capable of displaying colour
    >> emoji.

    Eli> Really, hundreds?  Are you sure?  Dozens don't scare me, and I thought
    Eli> there are actually very few?

Iʼm constantly surprised by the number of colour emoji fonts. It may
not be hundreds, but itʼs a lot.

    >> Is it such a bad thing if we donʼt use the emoji when we could?

    Eli> You mean, by default assume color Emoji aren't supported?  That'd
    Eli> contradict what the documentation currently says, and is a strange
    Eli> thing to do in such features.

Weʼd need a reliable way of implementing this:

    Eli> (defun display-color-emoji-p (&optional frame)

and I donʼt really like the idea of using a fixed list (but Iʼm not
implementing it 😀

    Eli> Terminal emulators is a separate issue.  If we need to support that,
    Eli> we will have to let the user specify that.  (The current code doesn't
    Eli> support that, either, right?)

    >> Iʼve not been following, but I assume thereʼs a "damn the torpedoes,
    >> I know what Iʼm doing" option for this stuff.

    Eli> But the option's value is not a simple scalar, it is a list of
    Eli> preferences, and they are supposed to be used in the order listed when
    Eli> possible.  How do you reconcile that with "I know what I'm doing"?
    Eli> Are users supposed to know in advance, for every display they use,
    Eli> what are its capabilities?  And even if they do, are they supposed to
    Eli> configure Emacs to use the lowest common denominator of those
    Eli> displays?

Youʼre conflating the defaults with the configurability. By default we
should try to do the right thing, but allow users to override that
(but you know that).

Robert
-- 





  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-07-29 13:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-22  4:57 bug#56691: outline-minor-mode displays navigation arrow buttons as emojis Paul W. Rankin via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
     [not found] ` <handler.56691.B.16584658415826.ack@debbugs.gnu.org>
2022-07-22  5:00   ` Paul W. Rankin via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-22  5:04     ` Paul W. Rankin via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-22  5:19       ` Paul W. Rankin via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-22  6:24       ` Gregory Heytings
2022-07-23  6:32         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-22  7:42     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-23  6:35       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-23  7:07         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-23  7:28           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-23  7:38             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-23  7:41               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-23  8:51                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-24  9:10                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-28 12:37                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-28 14:23                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-29 11:32                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-29 12:24                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-29 12:48                             ` Robert Pluim
2022-07-29 13:35                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-29 13:38                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-29 13:45                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-29 13:50                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-29 13:48                                   ` Robert Pluim
2022-07-29 13:51                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-29 13:47                                 ` Robert Pluim [this message]
2022-07-30 11:33                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-30 11:44                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-30 14:12                               ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-30 14:17                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-31  0:51                                   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-31 10:08                                     ` Robert Pluim
2022-07-31 11:45                                       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-01 10:36                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-01 10:42                                           ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-01 10:50                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-01 11:40                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-01 11:51                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-01 12:14                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-01 12:36                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-01 13:12                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-02  9:54                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-02 11:18                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-02 11:20                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-02 11:35                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-02 11:57                                                               ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-02 12:02                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-02 13:33                                                                   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-03 11:05                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-03 11:33                                                                       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-01 12:16                                               ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-01 13:02                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-01 13:20                                                   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-01 13:34                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-01 13:47                                                       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-01 13:53                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-01 14:04                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2022-08-10 11:39                                                             ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-10 11:52                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-10 12:08                                                                 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-12 14:56                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-13  1:49                                                                     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-11  4:30                                                               ` Jim Porter
2022-08-11  7:56                                                                 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-12 14:57                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-13  1:54                                                                   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-13 11:56                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-13 12:16                                                                       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-13 12:24                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-13 12:39                                                                           ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-13  5:53                                                                   ` Jim Porter
2022-08-13  7:01                                                                     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-13 11:58                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-13 12:17                                                                         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-13 12:25                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-13 12:34                                                                             ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-13 12:37                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-13 12:42                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-13 11:59                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-13 12:18                                                                       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-01 11:38                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-23  9:05             ` Visuwesh
2022-07-22  7:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-22  7:49 ` Juri Linkov
2022-07-24  4:45 ` bug#56691: reopen Paul W. Rankin via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-24  4:58   ` bug#56691: Better override Paul W. Rankin via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors

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