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[69.118.59.228]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y23-20020ac87057000000b003b86b5a07b3sm1153369qtm.90.2023.02.07.06.15.55 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 07 Feb 2023 06:15:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87r0v17iul.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu via's message of "Tue, 07 Feb 2023 20:36:34 +0800") X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 07 Feb 2023 09:54:57 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:255053 Archived-At: I don't think "joke" means what you think it means. A joke need not be funny but it does need to at least attempt capturing an irony. The literary device used by the Gnus manual is merely whimsy. In any other context, the prose used, e.g., "Go wild!", would not raise any eyebrows, but because it's injected into a technical manual, non-English speakers mistakenly interpret this as an American's idea of a joke, when in fact it's just grating ennui. Now someone who spends 1/7 of his waking hours modifying emacs telling others to "get a life." Now that's funny!