From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#61325: 30.0.50; Jokes in GNUS manual Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2023 11:50:40 +0000 Message-ID: <87o7poeesv.fsf@localhost> References: <87ttzy7pg1.fsf@localhost> <87wn4u6xj0.fsf@yahoo.com> <873577570z.fsf@localhost> <875yc2s89n.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h6vkbgot.fsf@localhost> <87mt5aj626.fsf@localhost> <87fsb1j4v8.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28415"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, 61325@debbugs.gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 20 12:51:11 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pU4hK-00078b-OW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2023 12:51:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pU4hE-0001UV-Pb; Mon, 20 Feb 2023 06:51:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pU4hD-0001UC-AB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2023 06:51:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pU4hC-000530-KT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2023 06:51:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pU4hC-00069A-BJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2023 06:51:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Ihor Radchenko Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2023 11:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61325 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 61325-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61325.167689381123566 (code B ref 61325); Mon, 20 Feb 2023 11:51:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 61325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Feb 2023 11:50:11 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50716 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pU4gN-000682-8p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2023 06:50:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:42565) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pU4gL-00067m-Fs for 61325@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2023 06:50:10 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74B19240136 for <61325@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 20 Feb 2023 12:50:00 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1676893803; bh=WF3Sy3cVAFPUAHEFwM3ZitoctOfk2pqK95wvJa/r/WY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=R3/niFP1NF2ku9wUvHh3UN5gkJJFqKWD0SJ/SwioPuX5/KnxjohWOXak+Zt+5ppfJ 5WGs72Ws0X3gacP123emjcuUjqpltGjTKFPqhM8g08+d+iheGyf3o+vgj6endSYQU5 1BwsoWFTzHok4ouCNyVzRckzd23k3xR/N2BIDpyqMaz+LwJ7sudMcGxsRxuAXmha2S YsKI/1lUhXVlwPy4T63j21aLh5eyHSpvWRWJCZrcOAVrDMnggaQpz6ZOw3ovqlTTd/ JLJQTePzz+KwaJ+jI7Ux6cmKW+fD6OVQ+YaWiGUdv+SgT69dndPIWSbghGAr4o/QPa SE3mi6+iocBxw== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4PL11g56z6z6tnD; Mon, 20 Feb 2023 12:49:59 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <87fsb1j4v8.fsf@yahoo.com> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:256143 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > In my youth, I took part in campaigns against religion. Likewise, the > word blessed is offensive to me. > > Will you now ``cater'' to me by retracting this change? > If not, why should we cater to you? I agree with you that we cannot 100% guarantee that no single reader will be offended. However, it does not mean that we should have no boundaries whatsoever about what to talk about in the manual, especially in jokes, which do not carry essential information for understanding. On one hand, we don't want to cater every single possible offence (like text that offends a single person in the world, at extreme). On the other hand, we probably don't want to joke around universally disgusting/offending topics as, say, tortures described in details. The above two are extreme boundaries. RMS suggested that we must avoid jokes that offends users of the software described in the manual. This is another boundary. I suggest avoiding topics __commonly__ known as sensitive at culture level. This is the boundary I propose here. You example with "blessed" is not something commonly known as offending, IMHO. "Sex" is. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at