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From: Michael Heerdegen via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 73709@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com
Subject: bug#73709: 29.4; Doc of `file-newer-than-file-p'
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 06:11:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o73kbsaq.fsf@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86ttddqy1w.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 15 Oct 2024 16:46:03 +0300")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> "Last saved" assumes the file is edited, but this function doesn't
> care whether a file has been edited.  "Last written to" might be
> better.

Ok - "last written" then.

> But the problem for which I find no good solution is that there are
> ways to make the filesystem lie to us about when was file last written
> to: use set-file-times in Emacs or the 'touch' shell command or
> anything similar.

Sure.  But I thought we want to explain the abstraction?  So, if you
don't want to lie, why not say "in general this means the times when the
files were last written" or so?  As you said we _don't_ want to go to
the level of implementation and file system specific details - so why
discuss them at all?  There are always details a short description
doesn't cover ("newer" also didn't cover them).

Of course you can add that "details depend on capabilities and features
of the used file system and the chosen implementation (Tramp)".  We do
say similar things in other docstrings, too.

Michael.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-10-16  4:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-08 17:56 bug#73709: 29.4; Doc of `file-newer-than-file-p' Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-08 18:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-08 18:40   ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-09  0:45     ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-09 13:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-09 16:32         ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-09 23:21         ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-10  8:09           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-10 11:08             ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-11  0:23             ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-11  5:56               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-12  0:31                 ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-12  8:40                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-12 22:48                     ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-13  5:13                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-13 14:51                         ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-13 15:31                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-13 17:01                             ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-13 18:30                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-13 22:23                                 ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-14  2:28                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-15  1:10                             ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-15 13:46                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-15 14:20                                 ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-15 14:51                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-15 15:01                                     ` Ship Mints
2024-10-15 16:21                                       ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-15 16:23                                       ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-15 16:24                                         ` Ship Mints
2024-10-16  4:11                                 ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2024-10-16  5:54                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-18  1:32                                     ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-09 23:42         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-10-10  1:47           ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-10  8:26           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-11  0:41             ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-11  6:03               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-12  0:38                 ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-12  1:13                   ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors

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