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From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
To: Theodor Thornhill <theo@thornhill.no>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	mickey@masteringemacs.org, casouri@gmail.com,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 73404@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#73404: 30.0.50; [forward/kill/etc]-sexp commands do not behave as expected in tree-sitter modes
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2025 09:54:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o70k9y2e.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87sepxt4yl.fsf@thornhill.no> (Theodor Thornhill's message of "Sun, 05 Jan 2025 20:50:58 +0100")

> However, deciding on what makes sense is hard, which is why I'm
> suggesting we try to define a "spec". It needn't really be much more
> than reference suggestions for mode implementors at first, then maybe
> some intersection of features crystallize across all modes.

I don't think it's possible to find a spec better than Stefan already
defined as an AST node delimited by an opening and a closing "keyword":
(...), [...], if...fi, begin...end, ...

>> Indeed, sentences and paragraphs are even more fuzzy concepts when applied
>> to programming languages.  But some modes make sense of these things
>> nevertheless.  For example, in both c-mode and c-ts-mode 'M-e'
>> moves to the end of statement that usually end with a semicolon;
>> so your intuition about these things looks correct.
>
> Yes, but imo more importantly, disregarding any confusing naming we have
> a very rich set of operations available to us that I think should be as
> distinct as possible:
>
> - C-M-f
> - M-f
> - M-a
> - M-e
> - C-f
> - C-a
> - C-e
> - more

Or when looking at the commands with the 'forward-' prefix:

  forward-list (C-M-n)
  forward-page (C-x ])
  forward-paragraph (M-})
  forward-sentence (M-e)
  forward-sexp (C-M-f)
  forward-symbol
  forward-word (M-f)

Interesting that a potentially useful 'forward-symbol' has no binding.

> If we'll aim to get the absolute most out of the parse tree
> possibilities we should strive to make these distinct, at least down the
> line. Some of these are simpler to categorize than others, such as a
> sentence meaning "some expression that ends that isn't a function or a
> class definition".

In languages with statements a sentence corresponds to a statement.
Then a paragraph is a less useful concept since a group of statements
compose a block that corresponds to a list, not a paragraph.  Then
probably the definition of a paragraph should remain as a group of lines
separated by empty lines.





  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-06  7:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-21  5:06 bug#73404: 30.0.50; [forward/kill/etc]-sexp commands do not behave as expected in tree-sitter modes Mickey Petersen
2024-09-26  7:42 ` Yuan Fu
2024-09-26  9:56   ` Mickey Petersen
2024-09-26 10:53     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-26 12:13       ` Mickey Petersen
2024-09-26 13:46         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-26 15:21           ` Mickey Petersen
2024-09-26 15:45             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-27  5:43               ` Yuan Fu
2024-09-29 16:56                 ` Juri Linkov
2024-10-01  3:57                   ` Yuan Fu
2024-10-01 17:49                     ` Juri Linkov
2024-10-02  6:14                       ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-05 18:52                       ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-05 19:53                         ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-10 17:20                           ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-11  6:31                             ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-11 15:12                               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-12-11 15:29                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-12-11 16:50                                 ` Mickey Petersen
2024-12-11 18:27                                 ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-12  7:17                                   ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-12  7:40                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-12  7:58                                       ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-12  8:14                                         ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-12 16:31                                           ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-12 17:49                                             ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-12 19:13                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-13  7:06                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-14 11:02                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-14 18:14                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-18  7:37                                               ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-19  4:04                                                 ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-19  7:14                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-19  7:18                                                   ` bug#74963: Ambiguous treesit named and anonymous nodes in ruby-ts-mode Juri Linkov
2024-12-24  3:02                                                     ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-24  7:17                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-24  7:41                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-25  3:25                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-12-25  7:52                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-26  1:00                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-12-27  7:42                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-24 17:52                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-24 21:03                                                         ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-25  7:49                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-25  9:11                                                             ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-25 17:39                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-19  7:34                               ` bug#73404: 30.0.50; [forward/kill/etc]-sexp commands do not behave as expected in tree-sitter modes Juri Linkov
2024-12-24 19:05                                 ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-24 21:14                                   ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-25  7:44                                     ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-25  8:34                                       ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-25 17:36                                         ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-27  7:59                                           ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-25 17:19                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-12-25 18:01                                     ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-25 19:29                                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-12-27  7:54                                         ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-29 17:58                                           ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-30  7:15                                 ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-30  8:00                                   ` Yuan Fu
2025-01-04 17:46                                     ` Juri Linkov
2025-01-04 19:05                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05  7:32                                         ` Juri Linkov
2025-01-05 11:46                                           ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 12:18                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 12:30                                               ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 16:59                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 18:20                                                   ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 21:18                                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 17:59                                             ` Juri Linkov
2025-01-05 19:50                                               ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-06  7:54                                                 ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2025-01-06 14:14                                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-06 17:40                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2025-01-06 18:04                                                       ` Yuan Fu
2025-01-06 20:07                                                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-07 18:05                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2025-01-07 19:19                                                           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 13:02                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 18:05                                             ` Juri Linkov
2025-01-05 19:54                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 18:02                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2025-01-06 18:45                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 20:19                                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05  7:37                                       ` Juri Linkov
2025-01-05 14:40                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 18:10                                           ` Juri Linkov
2025-01-06  8:56                                           ` Yuan Fu
2025-01-07 17:56                                             ` Juri Linkov
2025-01-07 19:25                                               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-08  2:27                                                 ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-30 13:40                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-30 18:54                                     ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-30 19:36                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-30 16:30                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-12-30 18:59                                     ` Juri Linkov

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