From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#5774: 23.1.92; Emacs manual, node Persistent Marks Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:14:40 -0400 Message-ID: <87mxxgv9qn.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <7C30F09686364224A85B06A46947357F@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1270571937 15324 80.91.229.12 (6 Apr 2010 16:38:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 16:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 5774@debbugs.gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 06 18:38:54 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzBnd-0005Mt-KL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 18:38:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40963 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NzBnd-0003Ij-1g for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:38:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NzBbQ-0003zI-EA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:26:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41964 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NzBbO-0003vt-2n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:26:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzBbK-000775-G2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:26:09 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:37483) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzBbK-000770-3y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:26:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzBQc-0003Li-Pi; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:15:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <7C30F09686364224A85B06A46947357F@us.oracle.com> Resent-From: Chong Yidong Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 16:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5774 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 5774-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B5774.127057048712851 (code B ref 5774); Tue, 06 Apr 2010 16:15:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 5774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Apr 2010 16:14:47 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzBQN-0003LE-BT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:14:47 -0400 Original-Received: from pantheon-po15.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.71]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzBQL-0003L9-En for 5774@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:14:45 -0400 Original-Received: from furry (adsl-99-70-212-128.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net [99.70.212.128]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po15.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o36GEehh029527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 6 Apr 2010 12:14:40 -0400 Original-Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4E0FFC055; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 12:14:40 -0400 (EDT) X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:15:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:35994 Archived-At: > "When Transient Mark mode is off, the mark is _never_ deactivated..." > > This is wrong. And it confuses users. Check `C-h v mark-active' with > t-m-mode off and see if what it says makes sense in combination with > this Info doc (no). It is correct. If tmm is off, the mark starts out inactive, and the variable `mark-active' is nil. Once you type C-SPC, `mark-active' becomes t, and remains t regardless of (almost) anything you do. > 2. Replace undo (`C-x u') in the example given by a more typical command > wrt t-m-mode (e.g. query-replace). > > 3. "`C-u C-x C-x' Activate the mark without changing it". Remove "without > changing it". That doesn't add anything except confusion. I have edited the text to remove the possible confusion.