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15 Aug 2013 12:02:24 +0000 UTC Original-Received: from localhost (1000@localhost [local]); by abbey.wistly.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id e9316a2b; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 07:02:21 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <8338qbpt90.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 15 Aug 2013 05:44:59 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (berkeley-unix) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:77373 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > I'm guessing everyone is nowadays aware of a function in a word > processor that sends the current document via email. So I think you > are wrong here. I have to disagree. It's my experience--and granted, the plural of anecdote is not data--that in an office where Microsoft Office is used heavily, daily, nearly no one uses this functionality, even if they are aware of it; and very few are aware of it. I know this because messages are by default formatted differently (for example, the signature block is not used) if they are sent in this way. My co-workers invariably - save the file - open Outlook - compose a new message - locate the file in Explorer - drag it into the new message to attach it, and then hit "send" I see them do it every day. Even in LibreOffice (which is what I have on the machine I'm writing this from), the menu item is simply "Send", which then has a submenu to give you several choices, of which the first is "Document as Email...." Moreover, it's in the "File" menu, which I think makes it considerably clearer to a new user that "here is an option which will allow you to send the current file/document via email." >> Incidentally, I didn't remember what came up, so I just tried (via >> emacs -Q and then going through Rmail) to send a message like a new user >> would. Emacs (presumably message.el) just prompts me to select "mail >> client," "transport," or "smtp" to send my message; and there is no >> indication that I've left Rmail. > > The indication is in the mode line, as usual in Emacs. After all, > that's how you know you are in Rmail, right? It just says "Message." There is no indication--again, to a user unfamiliar with Emacs--that Message isn't just some part of Rmail. To be clear, I'm not saying there *should* be an indication other than the mode line. I'm just saying that to a new user it doesn't *matter*.