From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22493: 25.1.50; open-gnutls-stream doesn't respect :nowait, so the connections are synchronous Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2016 18:57:41 +1100 Message-ID: <87mvremft6.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87mvrnzpge.fsf@gnus.org> <87fuxebrsy.fsf@gnus.org> <878u36fung.fsf@gnus.org> <8360y93fka.fsf@gnu.org> <87wpqpwd8p.fsf@gnus.org> <83d1sh14is.fsf@gnu.org> <87egcx13kc.fsf@gnus.org> <83bn801d06.fsf@gnu.org> <87bn7znazd.fsf@gnus.org> <83lh73ytxo.fsf@gnu.org> <87a8nizjia.fsf@gnus.org> <8760y6zha1.fsf@gnus.org> <83fux9yend.fsf@gnu.org> <87a8nhnqdy.fsf@gnus.org> <83wpqkwhts.fsf@gnu.org> <87oabveve1.fsf@gnus.org> <83si17vcut.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3grobjf.fsf@gnus.org> <83lh6zv7ko.fsf@gnu.org> <87mvreleur.fsf@gnus.org> <83io22tgxk.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1454745570 29105 80.91.229.3 (6 Feb 2016 07:59:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 07:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 22493@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 06 08:59:15 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aRxlx-0006uH-4B for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 08:59:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52296 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRxlt-0000tf-32 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 02:59:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49521) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRxlp-0000tC-4e for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 02:59:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRxll-0006F2-UW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 02:59:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:54723) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRxll-0006Ey-Qf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 02:59:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRxll-0006RD-Le for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 02:59:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2016 07:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22493 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22493-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22493.145474549424686 (code B ref 22493); Sat, 06 Feb 2016 07:59:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22493) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2016 07:58:14 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35079 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRxkz-0006Q6-MS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 02:58:13 -0500 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:42678) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRxkx-0006Px-KN for 22493@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 02:58:12 -0500 Original-Received: from cpe-60-225-211-161.nsw.bigpond.net.au ([60.225.211.161] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1aRxkZ-0008Tl-Fp; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 08:57:48 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83io22tgxk.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 06 Feb 2016 09:51:35 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.90 (gnu/linux) X-MailScanner-ID: 1aRxkZ-0008Tl-Fp MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1455350268.33199@oVe9xOjukgGhIiXJhqeJiA X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:112550 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > That is only true if the foreground program has something useful to do > while TLS negotiation goes on. You have a very particular application > in mind (a browser) where you can just let user scroll through the > rest of the buffer Yes, that's the use case these changes are for. > IOW, your changes might make sense for some small set of applications, > but for the others it's just a major complication in the code base > with no real gains. > > We shouldn't make such major changes in low-level code when they > benefit only a small class of applications, IMO. Well, web browsers and news and mail readers aren't a small class of applications when it comes to the network layer. They are the majority of the applications. :-) Having rmail pause Emacs while it's fetching HTML assets, while you just want to go to the next message, is not good user interface design. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no