From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord)
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 20202@debbugs.gnu.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 20484@debbugs.gnu.org,
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: bug#20484: bug#20202: Considered Harmful 73d213: 'Comint, term, and compile new set Emacs'
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 14:15:07 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mvp4jl7o.fsf@russet.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83a8l5kypx.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 07 Apr 2016 22:25:46 +0300")
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
>> Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk, 20202@debbugs.gnu.org, 20484@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 14:58:07 -0400
>>
>> >> Maybe the best solution is to stop messing with $EMACS by default (and
>> >> hence change the behavior of sub-shells in negative ways for some
>> >> users), and then provide an easy way for those users to get back the
>> >> "fully featured" sub-shell they love.
>> > I don't think this will satisfy users of those shells.
>>
>> I don't think "satisfy" is sufficiently well defined to be useful in
>> this conversation.
>
> I think it is.
>
>> There's clearly a tradeoff to be made between bug#20202 and bug#20484.
>
> Experience has taught us that there's no real tradeoff, at least not
> in the next few years. As long as shells are in use which want
> EMACS=t, we must leave that in place.
Both zsh and bash also check TERM=emacs, which isn't set.
> They are mostly those who bump into this in Makefile's, where it is
> relatively easy to switch to another name. It's inconvenient, but
> easily fixed. By contrast, users of shells cannot always easily
> change what their shells expect in their sources.
Should we patch the Emacs makefiles to stop making use of $(EMACS) then?
Phil
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2016-04-07 14:57 ` bug#20202: Considered Harmful 73d213: 'Comint, term, and compile new set Emacs' Paul Eggert
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2016-04-07 15:01 ` Paul Eggert
2016-04-07 15:18 ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-07 15:25 ` Paul Eggert
2016-04-07 16:01 ` Glenn Morris
2016-04-07 16:07 ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-07 16:26 ` bug#20484: " Paul Eggert
2016-04-07 19:55 ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-07 22:20 ` bug#20484: " Stefan Monnier
2016-04-08 7:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-08 13:09 ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-08 20:50 ` Paul Eggert
2016-04-08 21:20 ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-08 7:03 ` bug#20484: " Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-08 7:34 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-04-08 13:12 ` bug#20484: " Phillip Lord
2016-04-07 21:42 ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-08 7:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-08 16:49 ` bug#20202: " Stefan Monnier
2016-04-08 18:12 ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-07 16:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-07 16:59 ` bug#20202: " Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-07 18:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-07 19:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-07 22:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-08 7:00 ` bug#20202: " Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-08 15:32 ` Glenn Morris
2016-04-08 15:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-01 23:36 ` bug#20484: 25.0.50; Directory tracking in ansi-term broken Jacob Oursland
2015-05-02 2:17 ` Glenn Morris
2015-05-02 2:43 ` Glenn Morris
2015-05-02 19:33 ` Jacob Oursland
2015-05-03 5:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-03 6:15 ` Jacob Oursland
2015-05-03 16:29 ` Richard Stallman
2015-05-03 17:36 ` Jacob Oursland
2015-05-04 2:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-04 16:15 ` Richard Stallman
2015-05-03 17:57 ` Glenn Morris
2015-05-03 19:09 ` Jacob Oursland
2015-05-04 2:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 22:15 ` Paul Eggert
2016-04-08 18:47 ` bug#20484: Bash 4.4-rc1 incompatibility with future Emacs $EMACS Paul Eggert
2016-04-09 2:24 ` bug#20484: bug#20202: Considered Harmful 73d213: 'Comint, term, and compile new set Emacs' Glenn Morris
2016-04-09 8:43 ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-09 13:43 ` bug#20202: " Stefan Monnier
2016-04-09 21:56 ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-09 23:40 ` bug#20202: " Paul Eggert
2016-04-10 0:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-10 3:30 ` Paul Eggert
2016-04-10 13:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-11 5:50 ` bug#20202: " Paul Eggert
2016-04-10 8:26 ` bug#20484: " Phillip Lord
2016-04-10 13:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-11 12:32 ` bug#20484: " Phillip Lord
2016-04-10 8:25 ` Phillip Lord
2015-03-25 21:44 ` bug#20202: 24.3; Comint mode sets a bad $EMACS Eli Barzilay
2015-03-26 0:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-03-28 15:27 ` Eli Barzilay
2015-04-09 15:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-10 12:18 ` bug#20202: bug#20484: bug#20202: Considered Harmful 73d213: 'Comint, term, and compile new set Emacs' Markus Triska
2016-04-11 12:38 ` Phillip Lord
2018-05-24 20:46 ` bug#20202: EMACS=t Joy and Happiness Phillip Lord
2016-04-10 7:13 ` bug#20202: bug#20484: bug#20202: Considered Harmful 73d213: 'Comint, term, and compile new set Emacs' Michael Albinus
2016-04-10 8:51 ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-10 9:31 ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-08 16:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-08 17:12 ` Paul Eggert
2016-04-08 18:14 ` bug#20202: " Phillip Lord
2016-04-08 17:47 ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-08 13:15 ` Phillip Lord [this message]
2016-04-08 13:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-08 15:45 ` bug#20202: " Glenn Morris
2016-04-08 16:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
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