From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Noam Postavsky Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#32643: 26; minor-mode variables Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:51:00 -0400 Message-ID: <87musnfsi3.fsf@gmail.com> References: <3ce888af-aa04-4dd2-99b5-0882e37024f3@default> <494224f1-815f-4fb4-a779-75e243b519f0@default> <87zhwsg2s5.fsf@gmail.com> <54558a99-f16d-41d4-ada4-02b4e598f426@default> <87worufm2e.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536713417 17271 195.159.176.226 (12 Sep 2018 00:50:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 00:50:17 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: rms@gnu.org, 32643@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 12 02:50:13 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fztM7-0004K6-OK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 02:50:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60160 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fztOE-0002xi-41 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:52:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43433) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fztO4-0002wr-Gi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:52:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fztNy-0002u8-Pj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:52:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:33212) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fztNy-0002tr-1I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:52:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fztNx-0006D7-VK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:52:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Noam Postavsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 00:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 32643 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 32643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B32643.153671347123799 (code B ref 32643); Wed, 12 Sep 2018 00:52:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 32643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Sep 2018 00:51:11 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37470 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fztN7-0006Bm-E9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:51:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-it0-f41.google.com ([209.85.214.41]:38826) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fztN6-0006Ba-33 for 32643@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 20:51:08 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-it0-f41.google.com with SMTP id p129-v6so800844ite.3 for <32643@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 17:51:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=387tNMfjgQ7ETS6vGKKw242RZnwOCU6OAOiNHEghA0w=; b=P4rI57S13xweGLM4CBtaflbRhUNRKHW9paftTEPGLPLkMb8JflaXxDWVtAPLzOGmzX LG9K/jNzRoxOZPjKbgTlEpm0bJUe8YAjtGtpdcsA8rDWIEynMhlWv6FdDzu2aQfn05r+ 1hly7jlDTfWzr0BMTQyHQX2sGFknIFQzbODjPZfy8xXSJLgaBbwLH7kv6krU4JwtlLL9 5UkUufGY6pJpn7FC6xfnab5Ut4KkTzliItmn7bnOabqXEmWhZlhm4nxihOzQ8uaZrnEu WzxCGAbrIlG7CfLraxacVpx9q+C70vvgLnoA+qiD6VzwtHGnleY61RCJCwFPjlZoYPFC 3CDA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=387tNMfjgQ7ETS6vGKKw242RZnwOCU6OAOiNHEghA0w=; b=ChfLACbsHnlwDFKT92SGkqi6rwzXU2sOUeUDxi3HxHPG1l3olMRYku0rHPps/VJsoG I2/NQVwKzjWN4vwwrViANOa8D83uD3Ss6mRAPcXiD9ph+IhTO+jo1d2ruJvE0BwdxcAZ VAazjMJIpji5I+7aRR4vdrfCDFNn85m/G4T4PFUTBvy2/IwQQ0rw6YmynNgDcaIZQsrM +CPNnbGoguNVzIR800KJiMlWcfdub5USx9c2nWA6X+BjiaM2dgocKclpjUgYQ1nAE0cc cJPmRwhZCMsOO98PC3GoyZPmmf5rYQgXH89IMPtB0cXG3U5UCS8gIsT8MJCFhi24dxMx yI7g== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51CsTmWomV3VCQSDPJiXstO15KJara3sPDZptlyf1UjoPzJZMBED 8e560TtWIpjv6Wxa9Ma0gmZqpk+V X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0Vdak9eT+h8qAaB3OXrc8GoWm2LwBReBqXI5DKtso76DelGP9nqg2sHrTBjfNNVravhcBlaiQyQ== X-Received: by 2002:a24:85c6:: with SMTP id r189-v6mr4283167itd.83.1536713462361; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 17:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zebian (cbl-45-2-119-34.yyz.frontiernetworks.ca. [45.2.119.34]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id r139-v6sm1074426ita.14.2018.09.11.17.51.01 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 11 Sep 2018 17:51:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 9 Sep 2018 15:09:55 -0700 (PDT)") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:150236 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > So far I 've learned, since asking that, that one reason might > be the use of `:variable' - though it's still not clear to me why > that should preclude also having and syncing a normal mode > variable. No, that's putting the card before the horse. I meant rather that the cost of having two variables and keeping them in sync would outweigh the benefit of following the convention. Using :variable is just the way to implement having only a single variable, it's not a reason for avoiding a second variable. >> > - you twisted that around. >> >> Did I? > > I think you did. But I didn't mean that you were trying to do > something nasty. I figured you did that by misunderstanding. Okay, I got a bit frustrated at seeing you fill up yet another bug thread with some kind of argument over... something (I can't even tell what exactly). So I was feeling a bit predisposed to read things in a hostile tone. And my response was hostile too, sorry. >> Given your posting history, am I surprised that you rudely abuse >> the bug list in this way? No. But I'm not happy about it either. > > Sorry you feel that way. Please point out what you think was > rude, abusive, and accusative on my part. I hope to avoid > prompting such a response in the future. Thanks. So, your original report here was mostly okay. It was a bit vague though, I think a few concrete phrasing proposals would have helped to anchor it a bit better and prevent the subsequent derailing. You do generally have a tendency to send long messages which could be summarized into a couple of sentences. And also to interject into discussions without reading all of the previous messages. I get that discussion can get long and it's hard to keep up, but by sending your (long and possibly irrelevant due to not having read the context) message you make that same problem worse for everyone else. I do consider those things disrepectful and somewhat rude, I think my low-level annoyance about it bleeds into my reading of your other messages even when you're not specifically doing that.