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From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>
To: "Miguel V. S. Frasson" <mvsfrasson@gmail.com>
Cc: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>, 34708@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#34708: alist-get has unclear documentation
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2019 13:21:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mumcdu7f.fsf@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAARdmY3tS0poY8nE1p3ysCazbbcWgxxLVmwGi+aATQ7JZmFKAg@mail.gmail.com> (Miguel V. S. Frasson's message of "Sun, 3 Mar 2019 08:32:45 -0300")

"Miguel V. S. Frasson" <mvsfrasson@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi
>
> I think the sentence below is a good and short explanation for the
> doc-string.
>
> The return value can be conveniently used as a generalized variable (a
> place) to set the value associated with KEY in ALIST, like in the
> example (setf (alist-get key alist) new-value)

Thanks for the idea.  I don't think we should explain it like this
however, because when evaluating

  (setf (alist-get key alist) new-value)

the function `alist-get' is never called, so there is no return value.
Of course what is sexy about place expressions is that it looks like you
would directly set the result of a function call, but what happens is
that setf doesn't evaluate the call but analyses it and builds and
evaluates code that leads to this result.

Eric suggested to say "this form is a setf-able place" but this also
doesn't answer the question what this (form) is.  `alist-get' is not a
form, it's the name of a function.  In my opinion it would be cleaner to
say something like "the name of this function can be used to build place
expressions" or "can be used in place expressions" or so.  Better ideas
welcome.


Michael.





  reply	other threads:[~2019-03-03 12:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-02  4:50 bug#34708: alist-get has unclear documentation Miguel V. S. Frasson
2019-03-02  9:25 ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-03-02 15:40   ` Miguel V. S. Frasson
2019-03-02 18:10     ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-03-02 19:06       ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-03-03  0:15         ` Phil Sainty
2019-03-03 12:50           ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-03-19  1:35             ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-03-02 19:51       ` Miguel V. S. Frasson
2019-03-02 20:32         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-03-03 11:32       ` Miguel V. S. Frasson
2019-03-03 12:21         ` Michael Heerdegen [this message]
2019-03-03 15:51           ` Drew Adams
2019-03-03 16:49             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-03-04 16:24             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-03-04 16:38               ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-03-04 17:16                 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-03-04 18:22                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-03-04 22:49                     ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-03-05 12:35                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-03-05 22:50                         ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-03-06  0:16                           ` Drew Adams
2019-03-11 13:39                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-03-11 14:52                               ` Drew Adams
2019-03-11 16:19                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-03-11 17:48                                   ` Drew Adams
2019-03-12 13:04                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-03-12 14:48                                       ` Drew Adams
2019-03-12 16:08                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-03-12 16:48                                           ` Drew Adams
2019-03-12 17:45                                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-03-12 13:12                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-03-12 14:53                                   ` Drew Adams
2019-03-12 15:38                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-03-12 16:18                                       ` Drew Adams
2019-03-12 17:55                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-03-15 15:54                                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-03-15 18:48                                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2019-03-27 22:31                                               ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-04-19  1:33                                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-04-19  2:24 ` bug#34708: Thanks Miguel V. S. Frasson
2019-04-19  4:18   ` Michael Heerdegen

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