From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#38457: 27.0.50; dabbrev-expand regression due to message change Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 23:50:28 +0200 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <87muc27prn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <8736e3vve8.fsf@gmx.net> <8736e2coyv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83y2vujd0y.fsf@gnu.org> <87blspm0sm.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <837e3ckbem.fsf@gnu.org> <871rtjn0kt.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfrrigj8.fsf@gnu.org> <87eexiqps5.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lfrphp94.fsf@gnu.org> <87wob7g2jk.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83k177ebs0.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="17294"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: 38457@debbugs.gnu.org, stephen.berman@gmx.net To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 08 22:57:31 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1ie4YU-0004N4-Cr for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2019 22:57:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33688 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ie4YS-0003Z9-O9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2019 16:57:28 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44342) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ie4Y6-0003WN-7f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2019 16:57:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ie4Y4-0004jK-K6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2019 16:57:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46376) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ie4Y3-0004hj-9M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2019 16:57:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ie4Y3-0005yV-9Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2019 16:57:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 21:57:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38457 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-Debbugs-Original-Cc: 38457@debbugs.gnu.org, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, stephen.berman@gmx.net Original-Received: via spool by 38457-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38457.157584220622909 (code B ref 38457); Sun, 08 Dec 2019 21:57:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 38457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Dec 2019 21:56:46 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52343 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ie4Xl-0005xP-Rg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2019 16:56:46 -0500 Original-Received: from brown.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.23]:34854) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ie4Xj-0005xE-MY for 38457@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2019 16:56:44 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DDC760072D; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 21:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a35.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-6-199.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.6.199]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 02BC56006DE; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 21:56:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a35.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Sun, 08 Dec 2019 21:56:42 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@jurta.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Celery-Harbor: 27df81ec23d0c4bc_1575842202312_2711376561 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1575842202312:684504542 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1575842202312 Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a35.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a35.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B6681F1D; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 13:56:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=linkov.net; bh=iHdF+O 4426lfn5TrrKjf/D8Xmao=; b=jUXS3WpwLBdCoJmFb6VNxzfYUBqDRB2PIGSfuM maeWuxrEFAmCKHMbVUFOWMQIW1JyR+WbbNVuExc0gjsNMckYyYWnIj9WQMfBqI6D 96NwIVoSUwR3R01hXRljJItSAzzPUNP8e4wRUWtWkjUkRjpRoglUfg4J7cpX2IUG XRTy4= Original-Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-96-42.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.96.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@jurta.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a35.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 63F49A123C; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 13:56:33 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a35 In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 08 Dec 2019 07:18:09 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:173070 Archived-At: >> > > I just suggested another possible solution: bind >> > > 'minibuffer-message-timeout' to zero when calling >> 'minibuffer-message' >> > > from 'message'. Would that work, or will it have some unwanted >> side >> > > effects? >> > >> > K=E9vin posted a patch that binds 'minibuffer-message-timeout' to >> zero, but >> > it makes each message disappear before the user has a chance to read >> it. >> >> But that's how 'message' behaved as well, didn't it? > > In case the answer is NO, here's an alternative proposal. Yes, the answer is NO. > The original problem which the change in 'message' tried to solve, the = one > reported in bugs #17272 and #19064, was about calling 'message' when > y-or-n-p is prompting the user. So how about if we modify the conditio= ns > under which 'message' calls 'minibuffer-message' such that this happens > only when y-or-n-p is in progress? E.g., y-or-n-p could bind some vari= able > that 'message' would check. No, it was not only about y-or-n-p, but about any command that uses the m= inibuffer. > Maybe yes-or-no-p should do the same. > > This will allow us to fix the original bugs without such wide implicati= ons as we have now. > > And while at that, I don't think we need the new function message-on-ec= ho-area; the additional logic could be added to 'message's original code. > > WDYT? Inventing hacks and workarounds is too risky and error-prone than installing the proper and safest solution.