* bug#42578: 28.0.50; [suggestion] allow dired-do-shell-command on directory line
@ 2020-07-28 10:36 Marco Wahl
2020-07-28 18:34 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-07-29 0:17 ` arthur miller
0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: Marco Wahl @ 2020-07-28 10:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 42578
What do you think about M-x dired-do-shell-command (typically bound to
!) on a dired directory line also?
Up to now one gets an error.
One could e.g. call the "tree" or the "du" command.
I propose this change of dired-do-shell-command:
@@ -755,7 +755,11 @@ dired-do-shell-command
;;Functions dired-run-shell-command and dired-shell-stuff-it do the
;;actual work and can be redefined for customization.
(interactive
- (let ((files (dired-get-marked-files t current-prefix-arg nil nil t)))
+ (let ((files (or (with-demoted-errors
+ "demoted error: %S"
+ (dired-get-marked-files t current-prefix-arg nil nil t))
+ (list (dired-current-directory)) ; <---- this is the core of the patch.
+ )))
(list
;; Want to give feedback whether this file or marked files are used:
(dired-read-shell-command "! on %s: " current-prefix-arg files)
WDYT?
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread* bug#42578: 28.0.50; [suggestion] allow dired-do-shell-command on directory line 2020-07-28 10:36 bug#42578: 28.0.50; [suggestion] allow dired-do-shell-command on directory line Marco Wahl @ 2020-07-28 18:34 ` Basil L. Contovounesios 2020-07-28 19:09 ` Marco Wahl 2020-07-29 0:17 ` arthur miller 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Basil L. Contovounesios @ 2020-07-28 18:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marco Wahl; +Cc: 42578 Marco Wahl <marcowahlsoft@gmail.com> writes: > What do you think about M-x dired-do-shell-command (typically bound to > !) on a dired directory line also? > > Up to now one gets an error. Does one actually? Here's what I tried: 0. emacs -Q 1. C-x d / RET 2. ! ls RET and *Shell Command Output* correctly lists the contents of /bin/. The same also happens when I mark multiple directories, and in Emacs 27. Could you please provide more information on the error you encounter, and how to reproduce it? Thanks, -- Basil In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, cairo version 1.16.0, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2020-07-28 built on thunk Repository revision: 1b2fed81e1f79fd12bfb76adfa2a79d7ddbcaed0 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12008000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux bullseye/sid Configured using: 'configure 'CC=ccache gcc' 'CFLAGS=-O2 -march=native' --config-cache --prefix=/home/blc/.local --with-x-toolkit=lucid --with-file-notification=yes --with-x' Configured features: XAW3D XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG CAIRO SOUND GPM DBUS GSETTINGS GLIB NOTIFY INOTIFY ACL LIBSELINUX GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE HARFBUZZ M17N_FLT LIBOTF ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS LUCID X11 XDBE XIM MODULES THREADS LIBSYSTEMD JSON PDUMPER LCMS2 Important settings: value of $LANG: en_IE.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* bug#42578: 28.0.50; [suggestion] allow dired-do-shell-command on directory line 2020-07-28 18:34 ` Basil L. Contovounesios @ 2020-07-28 19:09 ` Marco Wahl 2020-07-28 20:20 ` Drew Adams 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Marco Wahl @ 2020-07-28 19:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Basil L. Contovounesios; +Cc: 42578 "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob@tcd.ie> writes: > Marco Wahl <marcowahlsoft@gmail.com> writes: > >> What do you think about M-x dired-do-shell-command (typically bound to >> !) on a dired directory line also? >> >> Up to now one gets an error. > > Does one actually? Here's what I tried: > > 0. emacs -Q > 1. C-x d / RET > 2. ! ls RET > > and *Shell Command Output* correctly lists the contents of /bin/. > The same also happens when I mark multiple directories, and in Emacs 27. > > Could you please provide more information on the error you encounter, > and how to reproduce it? Apologies for the carelessness with the original description. I'm talking about those dired headlines here. To be more precise here is an example. I do 0. emacs -Q 1. C-x d / RET 2. M-g M-g 1 3. ! and observe the message "No files specified" in the minibuffer and no further effect. Can you reproduce that? Best regards, -- Marco ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* bug#42578: 28.0.50; [suggestion] allow dired-do-shell-command on directory line 2020-07-28 19:09 ` Marco Wahl @ 2020-07-28 20:20 ` Drew Adams 2020-07-28 21:04 ` Marco Wahl 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2020-07-28 20:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marco Wahl, Basil L. Contovounesios; +Cc: 42578 > I'm talking about those dired headlines here. Dired headlines are not file or directory lines. They're not acted on by ! or (most) other commands. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* bug#42578: 28.0.50; [suggestion] allow dired-do-shell-command on directory line 2020-07-28 20:20 ` Drew Adams @ 2020-07-28 21:04 ` Marco Wahl 2020-07-29 7:49 ` Michael Albinus 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Marco Wahl @ 2020-07-28 21:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams; +Cc: Basil L. Contovounesios, 42578 Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes: >> I'm talking about those dired headlines here. > > Dired headlines are not file or directory lines. > They're not acted on by ! or (most) other commands. Okay. I guess this is the core question here. Allow a key on a dired headline to have an effect or not. Is it set in stone that keys may not have an effect when pressed on dired headlines? What's the cost when such functionality is added? Concretely to allow "!" ? Best regards, -- Marco ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* bug#42578: 28.0.50; [suggestion] allow dired-do-shell-command on directory line 2020-07-28 21:04 ` Marco Wahl @ 2020-07-29 7:49 ` Michael Albinus 2020-07-29 11:55 ` Marco Wahl 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Michael Albinus @ 2020-07-29 7:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marco Wahl; +Cc: Basil L. Contovounesios, 42578 Marco Wahl <marcowahlsoft@gmail.com> writes: >>> I'm talking about those dired headlines here. >> >> Dired headlines are not file or directory lines. >> They're not acted on by ! or (most) other commands. > > Okay. I guess this is the core question here. Allow a key on a dired > headline to have an effect or not. What would be different from applying "!" on the "." file name in the dired buffer? > Best regards, See you tonight, and best regards, Michael. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* bug#42578: 28.0.50; [suggestion] allow dired-do-shell-command on directory line 2020-07-29 7:49 ` Michael Albinus @ 2020-07-29 11:55 ` Marco Wahl 2020-07-29 12:11 ` Michael Albinus 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Marco Wahl @ 2020-07-29 11:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Albinus; +Cc: Basil L. Contovounesios, 42578 >>> Dired headlines are not file or directory lines. >>> They're not acted on by ! or (most) other commands. >> >> Okay. I guess this is the core question here. Allow a key on a dired >> headline to have an effect or not. > > What would be different from applying "!" on the "." file name in the dired buffer? Functionally there would be no difference. The suggestion is to fill a gap. Get functionality where before was nothing. Practically in particular there'd be no more need to watch out for the ".". > See you tonight, and best regards, Michael. Yes, hopefully! ;) All the best! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* bug#42578: 28.0.50; [suggestion] allow dired-do-shell-command on directory line 2020-07-29 11:55 ` Marco Wahl @ 2020-07-29 12:11 ` Michael Albinus 2020-07-29 12:33 ` Marco Wahl 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Michael Albinus @ 2020-07-29 12:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marco Wahl; +Cc: Basil L. Contovounesios, 42578 Marco Wahl <marcowahlsoft@gmail.com> writes: Hi Marco, >>>> Dired headlines are not file or directory lines. >>>> They're not acted on by ! or (most) other commands. >>> >>> Okay. I guess this is the core question here. Allow a key on a dired >>> headline to have an effect or not. >> >> What would be different from applying "!" on the "." file name in >> the dired buffer? > > Functionally there would be no difference. > > The suggestion is to fill a gap. Get functionality where before was > nothing. Practically in particular there'd be no more need to watch out > for the ".". Is it really a gap? You can always type "M-! <command>" (or "M-! <command> ." in case you need the directory as argument). > All the best! Best regards, Michael. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* bug#42578: 28.0.50; [suggestion] allow dired-do-shell-command on directory line 2020-07-29 12:11 ` Michael Albinus @ 2020-07-29 12:33 ` Marco Wahl 2020-07-29 14:16 ` Michael Albinus 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Marco Wahl @ 2020-07-29 12:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Albinus; +Cc: Basil L. Contovounesios, 42578 >>> What would be different from applying "!" on the "." file name in >>> the dired buffer? >> >> Functionally there would be no difference. >> >> The suggestion is to fill a gap. Get functionality where before was >> nothing. Practically in particular there'd be no more need to watch out >> for the ".". > > Is it really a gap? You can always type "M-! <command>" > (or "M-! <command> ." in case you need the directory as argument). That's a good point. Somehow I forgot to try M-! in dired. I'm fine with closing this issue now. Gentlemen, thanks for the conversation! Best regards! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* bug#42578: 28.0.50; [suggestion] allow dired-do-shell-command on directory line 2020-07-29 12:33 ` Marco Wahl @ 2020-07-29 14:16 ` Michael Albinus 2020-07-30 10:23 ` Marco Wahl 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Michael Albinus @ 2020-07-29 14:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marco Wahl; +Cc: Basil L. Contovounesios, 42578-done Marco Wahl <marcowahlsoft@gmail.com> writes: > I'm fine with closing this issue now. Done. > Best regards! Best regards, Michael. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* bug#42578: 28.0.50; [suggestion] allow dired-do-shell-command on directory line 2020-07-29 14:16 ` Michael Albinus @ 2020-07-30 10:23 ` Marco Wahl 2020-07-31 14:24 ` Marco Wahl 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Marco Wahl @ 2020-07-30 10:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Albinus; +Cc: Basil L. Contovounesios, 42578-done, Arthur Miller >> I'm fine with closing this issue now. > Done. Thanks! The command dired-smart-shell-command AKA M-! can be bound to "!" in dired like so #v+ (add-hook 'dired-mode-hook (lambda () (define-key dired-mode-map "!" #'dired-smart-shell-command))) #v- For all the folks out there who want to save that extra "M-". Just for the record. Have a nice day! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* bug#42578: 28.0.50; [suggestion] allow dired-do-shell-command on directory line 2020-07-30 10:23 ` Marco Wahl @ 2020-07-31 14:24 ` Marco Wahl 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Marco Wahl @ 2020-07-31 14:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marco Wahl Cc: Basil L. Contovounesios, 42578-done, Michael Albinus, Arthur Miller Marco Wahl <marcowahlsoft@gmail.com> writes: >>> I'm fine with closing this issue now. > >> Done. > > Thanks! > > The command dired-smart-shell-command AKA M-! can be bound to "!" in > dired like so > > #v+ > (add-hook > 'dired-mode-hook > (lambda () > (define-key dired-mode-map "!" #'dired-smart-shell-command))) > #v- > > For all the folks out there who want to save that extra "M-". > > Just for the record. The above is not so clever because then the usual binding for ! in dired for files gets overwritten. Sorry for posting the above, that was too quick. Best regards, -- Marco ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* bug#42578: 28.0.50; [suggestion] allow dired-do-shell-command on directory line 2020-07-28 10:36 bug#42578: 28.0.50; [suggestion] allow dired-do-shell-command on directory line Marco Wahl 2020-07-28 18:34 ` Basil L. Contovounesios @ 2020-07-29 0:17 ` arthur miller 2020-07-29 15:31 ` Drew Adams 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: arthur miller @ 2020-07-29 0:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams, Marco Wahl, Basil L. Contovounesios; +Cc: 42578@debbugs.gnu.org [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 632 bytes --] Skickat från min Samsung Galaxy-smartphone. > I'm talking about those dired headlines here. > Dired headlines are not file or directory lines. > They're not acted on by ! or (most) other > commands. Unfortunately some commands, like go to start of buffer (or what is the name) put cursor on first line (header) in dired which is a bit annoying since it is useless. In dired it makes more sense to move cursor/point to start of the first line after the header (first file). I have bound a key to move it so and use that key instead of ordinary move to the beginning of a buffer (C-<home > by default I think). [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1297 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* bug#42578: 28.0.50; [suggestion] allow dired-do-shell-command on directory line 2020-07-29 0:17 ` arthur miller @ 2020-07-29 15:31 ` Drew Adams 2020-07-29 15:59 ` Arthur Miller 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2020-07-29 15:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: arthur miller, Marco Wahl, Basil L. Contovounesios; +Cc: 42578 >>> I'm talking about those dired headlines here. >> >> Dired headlines are not file or directory lines. >> They're not acted on by ! or (most) other >> commands. > > Unfortunately some commands, like go to start of > buffer (or what is the name) put cursor on first > line (header) in dired which is a bit annoying > since it is useless. It's not at all useless. Dired offers many features, including many that many or most users never use or are even unaware of. There are, for examples keys to navigate among dir listings, that specifically move to dir headlines. `C-M-n', `C-M-p', `C-M-d', `C-M-u'. Not to mention `i', which inserts the listing for the subdir on the current line. (And in Dired+ `i' on a subdir listing takes you back to the parent dir listing.) > In dired it makes more sense to move cursor/point > to start of the first line after the header (first > file). It may make sense for you, but it doesn't necessarily make more sense for other Dired users or Emacs in general. Luckily for you, you can bind keys to any commands you like: > I have bound a key to move it so and use that key > instead of ordinary move to the beginning of a > buffer (C-<home > by default I think). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* bug#42578: 28.0.50; [suggestion] allow dired-do-shell-command on directory line 2020-07-29 15:31 ` Drew Adams @ 2020-07-29 15:59 ` Arthur Miller 2020-07-29 16:29 ` Drew Adams 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Arthur Miller @ 2020-07-29 15:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams; +Cc: Basil L. Contovounesios, 42578, Marco Wahl Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes: >>>> I'm talking about those dired headlines here. >>> >>> Dired headlines are not file or directory lines. >>> They're not acted on by ! or (most) other >>> commands. >> >> Unfortunately some commands, like go to start of >> buffer (or what is the name) put cursor on first >> line (header) in dired which is a bit annoying >> since it is useless. > > It's not at all useless. Dired offers many features, > including many that many or most users never use or > are even unaware of. I don't know Drew. For all this years I have been using Dired I have never found a use-case where I wanted my cursor on a header. Maybe I am not advanced enough. What can I do with the headline? If I move cursor to the top? What useful things can I perform? Maybe I am missing some good functionality I am not aware of? >> In dired it makes more sense to move cursor/point >> to start of the first line after the header (first >> file). > > It may make sense for you, but it doesn't necessarily > make more sense for other Dired users or Emacs in > general. Maybe it is just me, but for me it is always sense to have default be the most used case, and haveing cursor on a header is not one. > Luckily for you, you can bind keys to any > commands you like: > >> I have bound a key to move it so and use that key >> instead of ordinary move to the beginning of a >> buffer (C-<home > by default I think). Yes indeed, and that is what I have done and never complained about before either :-). I also do understand though that entire Dired is just an artefact in a text editor, so one should not expect the most optimal performance/usability etc. But I brought it up now just because you already talked about those things and in case someone might be interested to look at it. No idea though if it is worth, I haven't cared much about myself either. But it is annoying when some actions put cursor at the begining of the buffer, or go back one line when cursor is already at first line in buffer so it ends up at the header. > There are, for examples keys to navigate among dir > listings, that specifically move to dir headlines. > `C-M-n', `C-M-p', `C-M-d', `C-M-u'. Well maybe it should *only* be an explicit action (to more cursor to headline), and not something different commans do per auto behaviour. > Not to mention > `i', which inserts the listing for the subdir on the > current line. (And in Dired+ `i' on a subdir listing > takes you back to the parent dir listing.) I am not sure inserting subdirs really fits into this discussion. We don't insert under the headline directly, do we? Anyway, I just wanted to get attention that Dired interactin needs some polishing (in my eyes :-). cheers ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* bug#42578: 28.0.50; [suggestion] allow dired-do-shell-command on directory line 2020-07-29 15:59 ` Arthur Miller @ 2020-07-29 16:29 ` Drew Adams 2020-07-29 18:02 ` Arthur Miller 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2020-07-29 16:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Arthur Miller; +Cc: Basil L. Contovounesios, 42578, Marco Wahl All that you suggest is fine to suggest, IMO. I didn't mean to discourage such suggestion. It's true that a dir heading has few associated actions, by default. (Movement among such headings is about the only such action, I think, by default.) It's also true that to act on a dir/subdir you generally need to be on its `.' line. Or else (for some other commands) it doesn't matter where, within its listing, you are. I personally don't have a problem with the default behavior of `M-<' or `C-<home' moving to the beginning of the buffer (as in other buffers). But if you think a better default behavior would be to move to its `.' line, then suggest that. (Vanilla Emacs also doesn't allow most actions on `.', but that's a different problem/story.) In that case, you'd probably want dir navigation keys (`C-M-n' etc.) to also move to the `.' line of a dir listing, and not to the heading line. In a way, a dir heading line and its `.' line both represent the same thing. One shows the dir name (absolute), and the other shows the attributes (permissions, date, size etc.). I also agree that there's room for further enhancing Dired. In particular, some of the commands that act by default relative to the top-most directory listed (e.g. `find-name-dired') could instead act by default on the subdir of the listing where point is. E.g., `M-x find-name-dired' could use, as default, the subdir of the current listing (wrt point). Whether such a change would be for the better, I don't know. But it's possible, and maybe worth thinking about. One thing you might do is code such changes for your own use (e.g. a mini-library), and try it for a while. So far, dir headings are just that: they serve only to identify a particular listing within the buffer, and they serve as movement destinations, when moving among such listings. (Dired+, unlike vanilla Emacs, allows some actions on `.' and `..'. But it too doesn't bother to do so on a heading line. IOW, it doesn't treat a heading line the same as the `.' line.) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* bug#42578: 28.0.50; [suggestion] allow dired-do-shell-command on directory line 2020-07-29 16:29 ` Drew Adams @ 2020-07-29 18:02 ` Arthur Miller 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Arthur Miller @ 2020-07-29 18:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams; +Cc: Basil L. Contovounesios, 42578, Marco Wahl Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes: > All that you suggest is fine to suggest, IMO. > I didn't mean to discourage such suggestion. > > It's true that a dir heading has few associated > actions, by default. (Movement among such headings > is about the only such action, I think, by default.) > > It's also true that to act on a dir/subdir you > generally need to be on its `.' line. Or else (for > some other commands) it doesn't matter where, within > its listing, you are. > > I personally don't have a problem with the default > behavior of `M-<' or `C-<home' moving to the > beginning of the buffer (as in other buffers). But > if you think a better default behavior would be to > move to its `.' line, then suggest that. (Vanilla > Emacs also doesn't allow most actions on `.', but > that's a different problem/story.) > > In that case, you'd probably want dir navigation > keys (`C-M-n' etc.) to also move to the `.' line > of a dir listing, and not to the heading line. > > In a way, a dir heading line and its `.' line > both represent the same thing. One shows the dir > name (absolute), and the other shows the attributes > (permissions, date, size etc.). > > I also agree that there's room for further enhancing > Dired. In particular, some of the commands that act > by default relative to the top-most directory listed > (e.g. `find-name-dired') could instead act by default > on the subdir of the listing where point is. > > E.g., `M-x find-name-dired' could use, as default, > the subdir of the current listing (wrt point). > > Whether such a change would be for the better, I > don't know. But it's possible, and maybe worth > thinking about. One thing you might do is code such > changes for your own use (e.g. a mini-library), and > try it for a while. > > So far, dir headings are just that: they serve only > to identify a particular listing within the buffer, > and they serve as movement destinations, when moving > among such listings. > > (Dired+, unlike vanilla Emacs, allows some actions > on `.' and `..'. But it too doesn't bother to do > so on a heading line. IOW, it doesn't treat a > heading line the same as the `.' line.) I can't tell much about . and .. in a dired buffer since I hide those per default in my setup. So I have just heading and list of file names following below. Maybe it is usefull to do some actions on ., .. and heading, but I don't seem to miss that functionality. I use Dired just like standard file manager to rename, cut, copy, move, and open files, and in that context I have never had use of header (or . and ..). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2020-07-31 14:24 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 17+ messages (download: mbox.gz follow: Atom feed -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2020-07-28 10:36 bug#42578: 28.0.50; [suggestion] allow dired-do-shell-command on directory line Marco Wahl 2020-07-28 18:34 ` Basil L. Contovounesios 2020-07-28 19:09 ` Marco Wahl 2020-07-28 20:20 ` Drew Adams 2020-07-28 21:04 ` Marco Wahl 2020-07-29 7:49 ` Michael Albinus 2020-07-29 11:55 ` Marco Wahl 2020-07-29 12:11 ` Michael Albinus 2020-07-29 12:33 ` Marco Wahl 2020-07-29 14:16 ` Michael Albinus 2020-07-30 10:23 ` Marco Wahl 2020-07-31 14:24 ` Marco Wahl 2020-07-29 0:17 ` arthur miller 2020-07-29 15:31 ` Drew Adams 2020-07-29 15:59 ` Arthur Miller 2020-07-29 16:29 ` Drew Adams 2020-07-29 18:02 ` Arthur Miller
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