From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#58543: 29.0.50; The 'q' key is not shown by "C-h ?" Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:49:53 +0200 Message-ID: <87mt9wjdxa.fsf@gnus.org> References: <838rlh77cy.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31713"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: 58543@debbugs.gnu.org, Philip Kaludercic , Stefan Kangas To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 16 11:51:10 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ok0IY-00080T-QG for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:51:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43936 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ok0IX-0001HJ-8f for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 05:51:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35758) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ok0IR-0001Gw-14 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 05:51:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:44349) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ok0IQ-0001Bo-PQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 05:51:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ok0IQ-0001Mu-H7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 05:51:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 09:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58543 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 58543-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58543.16659138125180 (code B ref 58543); Sun, 16 Oct 2022 09:51:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 58543) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2022 09:50:12 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43427 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ok0Hb-0001LT-OK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 05:50:11 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:42528) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ok0HY-0001LE-CP for 58543@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 05:50:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Wd4xWvbRE4nLyo6z/5b5UYF+nA9Ko/DYQH53DSjYP9E=; b=QKf2gPwo6yHHs7SbZpBNgf5g6k SJtcxtrjMLxRDcMHd+0bq6i47zQSe/IL6hjEc+oiP/IW+xf+RrkjWaSRgDyNGNr9rhoX9mEqWHH0D XEyM2M7HKdhrnU1mEqeF15+lofk3biq28tD98tvTRDqUn1KRROcxiki+4pJlSDbmc4pg=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=downe) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ok0HO-0004lg-1Z; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:50:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: <838rlh77cy.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 15 Oct 2022 12:40:13 +0300") X-Now-Playing: Tracey Thorn's _Out Of The Woods_: "Nowhere Near" X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:245620 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > As Subject says: "C-h ?" doesn't show the 'q' key, it shows this > instead: > > M-x help-quick-or-quit Display the quick help buffer. > > This is sub-optimal, I think, and will help users who need this "quick > help" less than it could be. > > Thinking about it, perhaps 'q'; should be on the first line shown by > "C-h ?". Hm... It's rather confusing all over now. All the other commands after `C-h ?' do the same as typing the commands directly. That is, `C-h t' shows the Emacs tutorial, and `C-h ? t' does the same. `C-h q' shows the quick help, but `C-h ? q' doesn't -- it just exits `help-for-help'. But the help-for-help says that it "Display the quick help buffer.", which is only correct when you haven't `C-h ?' first. So this is confusing on several different levels at the same time, and I don't know what the best fix here would be. Perhaps Philip of Stefan has some ideas; added to the CCs.