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Fri, 17 May 2024 11:59:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87ikzcizjm.fsf@gmail.com> (Robert Pluim's message of "Fri, 17 May 2024 10:59:57 +0200") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:AJDrsKKsk6HqBFQVcPNYKsHXwNRN8UDssDLbR7+OKqpNQHlDoh/ sq5CspdLJ4OBYbjsPg1BLdp1kpKwK5wwRyrnQ5OnuL2lvyHSxG8glA6yy43Qy1VgP8YJvUw veajqaUiIHvAPHc5GYjCCZ+apmhfLAO94DeBmBG33m7w1xj5dtD5eWsbq/M792K8N6KzOkC eVW64FZfOeiNHREl8io9A== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:2nhwFV01T0c=;CArQbUBo1KSJUiKVKNx0DaBm724 j7r+ydi78NjltvrszxzYhfXZHN+TrWOLiGnOZwq5akoRjvzwNQsbvoh4JjZTw3SvwNie+Nxy5 fbNWH2PYq8tFQFlk5Aqz16nIwr2lqMxP7E8jOlLFLxCFAr7VdcF9sZWj1PK0efYP7bl1xoY70 xWMRDBtKXbDevgU3BAaJLcmG1ewqz4rWLuW0vX9R6INKG2t0le0nblaQardGOZARZcdhq7xiq EuWeMV7oelmRYlisa3qcW8q+lYtDNvKjdn67lLTQXEEGzjZZBbYIS8tyaFQl/abF5xlUGt/Sb 19QHnHTCS4M9WIYkjlVCKQaVfeOmqYVg1Tyb/9s541ZBRpIJPQjqUX8YljwW3cFvVQqnn/4gA TBt8iTqLaywUrC55b+Y6JE4pbRZVwj6nwnehiwKjSGCWRlYz+VpbFIFoxq26gzhrj1FlPfSZc Vm8OYs1Z2ZU9Xi0UyWpMPuuJYu4xAQm15Kw1iJkuHRZNjxG7mE4iLw6dmmN/lLn4dgoyGbuSx kWc44Nmak7dXlppMYqUPK9MGUg0ZWFKcoVJ21DG1wnO46ROAJ/JcxSCT3esW2Xvg7fbZ56rGs H8EpP8FR5xRnhu1faro4TCKUJqRtR6VRoNhNQ/8m2Nxhl187S6XtWBTM8eThKQdmy+8Hbd+PV SpElEsH4X3djE2T90uyymfwQg+2uQaULQyvTnUwwKUEZKWWkAWlGwhtFYS7eBaW3UyN0Me8tc Ojb/Qyg4b8rwX5i12YtZQXaKIL+pXcjgRY76SWSgX/us/1vVRJR6CI21wVedzcBU899Y4IqF X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:285229 Archived-At: On Fri, 17 May 2024 10:59:57 +0200 Robert Pluim wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 10:21:08 +0200, Stephen Berman > said: > > >> I=CA=BCm assuming this means you=CA=BCre both ok with the key sequ= ences I chose. > > Stephen> As an innocent bystander I was at first puzzled at your choi= ce of 'C-x 8 > Stephen> < <' and 'C-x 8 > >' for "=E2=80=B9" and "=E2=80=BA", respec= tively; but then I found > Stephen> that 'C-x 8 <' and 'C-x 8 >' in the global map already produ= ce "=C2=AB" and > Stephen> "=C2=BB", presumably because the latter are the real quotati= on marks in > Stephen> French, while "single guillemets" are less frequently used. = So your > Stephen> choice makes sense after all. > > Exactly (should I put the existing C-x 8 bindings in the NEWS > entry?). That probably would have spared me my momentary puzzlement and the brief time it took me to discover 'C-x 8 <' and 'C-x 8 >', but I'm not sure that makes them NEWSworthy. > I=CA=BCm more doubtful about my choices for the German quotation marks in > the C-x 8 map. They correspond to the keys that have '(' and ')' on > the US keyboard, but not the German standard keyboard, but they=CA=BCre > easy to type on both layouts. I could put them on 'C-x 8 8' and 'C-x 8 > 9', since those can produce '[' and ']' in the German layout, which is > kind of mnemonic. Yeah, and also shifted '8' and '9' produce "(" and ")" in the German layout, so using '8' and '9' for another pairing seems better motivated for the German iso-transl map than '9' and '0'. > (The official German layout has them on 2nd or 3rd > level shift variants of 'x' and 'v', which I thought was too > convoluted to emulate). Probably. To add to the convolution, I use a German keyboard under Xfce4 with the no dead keys layout, and that assigns "=E2=80=9E" to AltGr-v= and "=E2=80=9C" to AltGr-b; no idea why... (In my experience, for email and non-processed text in German, "" is mostly used for quoting. LibreOffice automatically turns "" into =E2=80=9E=E2=80=9C in documents con= figured for German, and otherwise, when I need processed German text I use LaTeX.) Steve Berman