From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Roland Winkler Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#51621: 29.0.50; bibtex.el biblatex "2.1.3 Non-standard Types" support Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2024 08:05:14 -0600 Message-ID: <87mshekwo5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87v91618i8.fsf@lausen.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29083"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Leo Stein , Leonard Lausen To: 51621@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 02 15:06:27 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tI74F-0007Nc-83 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2024 15:06:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tI73v-000404-8A; Mon, 02 Dec 2024 09:06:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tI73r-0003zg-K9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2024 09:06:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tI73r-00049A-1g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2024 09:06:03 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=debbugs.gnu.org; s=debbugs-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject; bh=HerY5f0iKTkOFJds9nrSmY0RcB44dKDCk5lPDxrjx+M=; b=rma/q9zHakby5sw3JTScqRKbXj40XogRgzHA8SMiJQXooiBQLjVVJCKc8rMKzWlLk00o1M8WItk5rAuob4A5Hs0shNainw2p7ii6XHaDHr77VcN0S8/p1aSJTSldla7Q2HVYqpy9TGOF5abErlpOiZuAHVNQ1N7gwiAeZ/NOXypn9CItEsIoGHc/zED41O+fL1G2y2cjmb4vvouO4tZnL2ygJErUdHySz8w4oQubpu3mL1FDkE4vIMmKiyRTHXpMANrmWAJ5O9RcbxHRwu9MYsnCUQwBhWB3hlb3XhElqp87+DbzbptX8K4GflclhEWw+2K5Py6miI2vGU3m7wbunw==; Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tI73p-0001zu-Rh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2024 09:06:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87v91618i8.fsf@lausen.nl> Resent-From: Roland Winkler Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2024 14:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 51621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51621.17331483557654 (code B ref 51621); Mon, 02 Dec 2024 14:06:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 51621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Dec 2024 14:05:55 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54771 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tI73j-0001zN-4t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2024 09:05:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52656) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tI73g-0001z2-02 for 51621@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2024 09:05:53 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tI73V-00043B-El; Mon, 02 Dec 2024 09:05:43 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:Subject:To:From:in-reply-to: references; bh=HerY5f0iKTkOFJds9nrSmY0RcB44dKDCk5lPDxrjx+M=; b=cL9MV9C/hospkr bv8OKCkmBpjKZJ/TetlkSHaXXQtxcfzN5JsZoqWlD/fsZi/c5ylGRtVwg1oSRECZIKgHYERVZ01xQ j5piVDxqiQnK/N7VwJ+athyypdBgCImthqGT6RH66NSpr3eWN0FoFktZBVaojYnzrvkyKCbkQCKaF 2fVwH9TNWKkzL/rDClij1VTe2PJqUZHbk9Dr5gnEhyjhWDg6k2UMVepbFRK48A4esDjGDszG7kK++ aDlrXAP6lz6se/2Cq/iY+6tp881Dh68bMfSQuNhr2b/lynxtVrCoYo8eht6WqH0uM6MIUQ0yDTXG4 m63nBmwEaUZI3U1+9HDA==; X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:296322 Archived-At: > I'm starting to think that the "dialect" design within bibtex.el was > confused about bibtex vs. biblatex (this is pretty confusing, as we > can see here: https://tex.stackexchange.com/q/25701/34063). However, > I'm not sure what is the correct solution. At the very least, > bibtex.el should be more permissive about what entry types get parsed > by bibtex-parse-entry. The range of "acceptable" entry types needs to be compatible with the BibTeX style files that one wants to use. Certainly, these style files can be modified to handle any entry types you like. But I am not sure it makes sense to extend the defaults of bibtex.el beyond the defaults defined by BibTeX and / or biblatex. If you want to use the full range of entry types defined by biblatex, you may be served better by making biblatex your default dialect of bibtex-mode. (I find it useful if bibtex-mode keeps track of the entry types known to a dialect.) I am currently working on a patch for bibtex-mode that will make it easier for users to customize the entry types known by a dialect, including the possibility to define aliases for entry types. This patch should be installed on master in a few weeks. (I want to test it first.) PS: My reading of the above thread on stackexchange is that it will not make everyone happy if the distinction between old BibTeX and new biblatex gets blurred by bibtex-mode.