From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jambunathan K Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#15800: 24.3.50; hebrew: describe-input-method, case sensitive or not Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 00:05:59 +0530 Message-ID: <87li14koa8.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87fvrc43az.fsf@gmail.com> <83txfs877r.fsf@gnu.org> <87y554qgab.fsf@gmail.com> <83r4aw85kj.fsf@gnu.org> <87txfs9jqt.fsf@gmail.com> <83li1483j5.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1383590236 31774 80.91.229.3 (4 Nov 2013 18:37:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 18:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 15800@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 04 19:37:18 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VdP1Z-0005R5-OI for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 19:37:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51466 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdP1Z-0005AA-BT for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 13:37:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54436) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdP1Q-00057o-VQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 13:37:14 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdP1L-0000Hh-0E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 13:37:08 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:48736) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VdP1K-0000Hd-St for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 13:37:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdP1K-0002UF-Ay for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 13:37:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Jambunathan K Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 18:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15800 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 15800-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15800.13835902189550 (code B ref 15800); Mon, 04 Nov 2013 18:37:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 15800) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Nov 2013 18:36:58 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34522 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdP1G-0002Ty-J3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 13:36:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-f51.google.com ([209.85.220.51]:37013) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VdP1E-0002Th-1K for 15800@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 13:36:56 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ld10so7242619pab.38 for <15800@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:36:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=HBDypHuUdACbDD1z8TV4JZ/YiMS4o+hr4wbPgI2pmZs=; b=K2/pZbhQvcnd1B2LoywP+XNJxUU+zW1sJ7goo7z8BuujAtVKIkHyIKpk6PbZVQpfyC PfrzPQWRIjO1IkDTRtsOXhHe/CqZSxj1pZ20JqUNliTIA13HAGbd9NTJ55rjLvfFp8aW mc0SK2P+EXGkICP+KN5crrQ/+w8Dr1XPwvwA/qJbSsFQvq02XBSPCkYlzTH+Y0r+xkIO 3JmZPr2u2fkoKqP++UIw0QRuJ2WknsZ0WPph+j/Qhjc+/gAS0ABS+L8DXWIfVYNbf0aI fnz7JJf0AoiM0oPdRdUVZduKo57Pn4TNbudP3xLZT1dVC5fAGeEY35/u6mFkehljrVgE Gaqw== X-Received: by 10.66.142.193 with SMTP id ry1mr3796977pab.150.1383590209800; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:36:49 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from debian-6.05 ([101.63.173.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ik1sm29610918pbc.9.2013.11.04.10.36.47 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 04 Nov 2013 10:36:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83li1483j5.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 04 Nov 2013 19:45:02 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:79989 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > The 'S' label does not mean "press upper-case S", it says that this > key will produce an upper-case S when used with Shift, and "some > hebrew char" when used without Shift. If English Characters are not first class citizens of the script under consideration, why even have them in first place. Having a Uppercase ASCII but not having lowercase ASCII seems pretty useless to me. i.e., it gives me a feature that I don't need in the first place. Anyways, this bug is a good excuse to re-look at why such a decision was made and whether it is actually useful in practice. ps-1: I am using English and ASCII in a crude way. But it is clear what I mean. ps-2: Only reason uppercase ASCII may have been needed was to type out Roman Numerals while editing legendary texts. As for docstring, I need to sleep over it.