bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep

bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep

[ndame]

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I use Emacs 26.2 on Windows and usually I send my computer to sleep,
instead of switching it off. That means the same Emacs instance runs
for weeks or even months unless Emacs crashes for some reason.

I use several timers for housekeeping tasks and they usually work, but
from time to time one of them fails to start after coming back from
sleep.

When I do an M-x list-timers the affected timer is still there, but
its value in the Next column is negative. The value keeps decreasing
like for other timers, but since the value is negative it gets farther
and farther from zero, so it never fires after that.

I assume some calculation between the real time and the expected
elapsed time sets the timer value to negative after sleep.

A possible fix may be to ensure that the Next value of the timer
cannot be negative.
 

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bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 15:52:51 +0000 (GMT)
> From: ndame <emacsuser@freemail.hu>
> 
> I use Emacs 26.2 on Windows and usually I send my computer to sleep,
> instead of switching it off. That means the same Emacs instance runs
> for weeks or even months unless Emacs crashes for some reason.
> 
> I use several timers for housekeeping tasks and they usually work, but
> from time to time one of them fails to start after coming back from
> sleep.
> 
> When I do an M-x list-timers the affected timer is still there, but
> its value in the Next column is negative. The value keeps decreasing
> like for other timers, but since the value is negative it gets farther
> and farther from zero, so it never fires after that.

Do I understand correctly that the timers you are talking about are
those you yourself coded?  If so, can you show the code which starts
one of those timers which you sometimes find with negative Next time?

Thanks.

bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep

[ndame]

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> Do I understand correctly that the timers you are talking about are
> those you yourself coded? If so, can you show the code which starts
> one of those timers which you sometimes find with negative Next time?

I did not do anything special, I just start them. E.g:

   (run-with-timer 10 30 'my-function)

This timer checks my todo list regularly and tells me if there is a scheduled
todo tasks imminent. Occasionally, it stops working with negative value for
Next in timer-list when the computer comes back from sleep.

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bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep

[ndame]

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> Occasionally, it stops working with negative value for
> Next in timer-list when the computer comes back from sleep.

Instead of timer-list, I wanted to write M-x list-timers.  So it has a negative
value in the Next column of list-timers display.

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bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 05:22:57 +0000 (GMT)
> From: ndame <emacsuser@freemail.hu>
> Cc: "39824@debbugs.gnu.org" <39824@debbugs.gnu.org>
> 
> > Do I understand correctly that the timers you are talking about are
> > those you yourself coded? If so, can you show the code which starts
> > one of those timers which you sometimes find with negative Next time?
> 
> I did not do anything special, I just start them. E.g:
> 
>    (run-with-timer 10 30 'my-function)
> 
> This timer checks my todo list regularly and tells me if there is a scheduled
> todo tasks imminent. Occasionally, it stops working with negative value for
> Next in timer-list when the computer comes back from sleep.

When that happens next time, please show the exact value of the
relevant timer as a Lisp data structure.  (You should be able to find
it in the variable timer-list.)  Also, show the value returned by the
function current-time at that point.

In addition, please show the information collected by
"M-x report-emacs-bug RET", I don't think you included it with your
original report.

Thanks.

bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep

[ndame]

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> When that happens next time, please show the exact value of the
> relevant timer as a Lisp data structure. (You should be able to find
> it in the variable timer-list.) Also, show the value returned by the
> function current-time at that point.

Ok, will do if it happens again. I don't know what triggers it, because
it happens only occasionally.

The strange thing is it would be a logical explanation that emacs substracts
the new time from the timer and it makes it go negative (though I haven't 
checked how it is implemented), but usually only one of the timers go 
negative, not all of them, so the bug does not affect all timers when it 
happens.

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bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 16:30:24 +0000 (GMT)
> From: ndame <emacsuser@freemail.hu>
> Cc: "39824@debbugs.gnu.org" <39824@debbugs.gnu.org>
> 
> Ok, will do if it happens again. I don't know what triggers it, because
> it happens only occasionally.

Thanks.

> The strange thing is it would be a logical explanation that emacs substracts
> the new time from the timer and it makes it go negative (though I haven't 
> checked how it is implemented), but usually only one of the timers go 
> negative, not all of them, so the bug does not affect all timers when it 
> happens.

AFAICS, Emacs doesn't subtract to compute the "next" time, it actually
_adds_.  That's why I asked for data: I don't see any immediate
suspects that could cause what you describe.

bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep

[Gijs Hillenius]

I might have the same issue here¹, I have this in init.el: 
(run-at-time "10:35" 21600 'org-mobile-push)

M-x list-timers shows:

     -365959.09   360.00 org-mobile-push

It is the only timer with a minus sign. M-x org-mobile-push works as
intended.

I will run emacs -Q and see what I can find out.

FWIW: This timer has been in my init el since 2015. It used to
temporarily make Emacs stutter for a second or two when it ran every
morning, so I would visibly notice it. This stuttering stopped already
months ago. At first I thought it was because the timer was set to a
moment that the laptop would be asleep, so I adjusted it .. but that has
not helped. It's when I noticed this bug report that I thought...


1) GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
3.24.14, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2020-03-16, unofficial emacs-snapshot
build: http://emacs.secretsauce.net

On  6 March 2020 19:07 Eli Zaretskii, wrote:

>> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 16:30:24 +0000 (GMT)
>> From: ndame <emacsuser@freemail.hu>
>> Cc: "39824@debbugs.gnu.org" <39824@debbugs.gnu.org>
>> 
>> Ok, will do if it happens again. I don't know what triggers it, because
>> it happens only occasionally.
>
> Thanks.
>
>> The strange thing is it would be a logical explanation that emacs substracts
>> the new time from the timer and it makes it go negative (though I haven't 
>> checked how it is implemented), but usually only one of the timers go 
>> negative, not all of them, so the bug does not affect all timers when it 
>> happens.
>
> AFAICS, Emacs doesn't subtract to compute the "next" time, it actually
> _adds_.  That's why I asked for data: I don't see any immediate
> suspects that could cause what you describe.
>
>
>
>

-- 
You will be held hostage by a radical group.

bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep

[Gijs Hillenius]

On  6 March 2020 11:14 Eli Zaretskii, wrote:

>> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 05:22:57 +0000 (GMT)
>> From: ndame <emacsuser@freemail.hu>
>> Cc: "39824@debbugs.gnu.org" <39824@debbugs.gnu.org>
>> 
>> > Do I understand correctly that the timers you are talking about are
>> > those you yourself coded? If so, can you show the code which starts
>> > one of those timers which you sometimes find with negative Next time?
>> 
>> I did not do anything special, I just start them. E.g:
>> 
>>    (run-with-timer 10 30 'my-function)
>> 
>> This timer checks my todo list regularly and tells me if there is a scheduled
>> todo tasks imminent. Occasionally, it stops working with negative value for
>> Next in timer-list when the computer comes back from sleep.
>
> When that happens next time, please show the exact value of the
> relevant timer as a Lisp data structure.  (You should be able to find
> it in the variable timer-list.)  Also, show the value returned by the
> function current-time at that point.
>
> In addition, please show the information collected by
> "M-x report-emacs-bug RET", I don't think you included it with your
> original report.


Not the poster of the original bug, but I might have a similar issue:

Since Sunday, I've been running emacs¹ from GDB, but there is nothing
much to report. At startup, init.el sets  (run-at-time "10:35" 21600
'org-mobile-push). It ran on Sunday, but not on Monday (yesterday) -
despite a good night's sleep.

Today (Tuesday), M-x timer-list shows:

      -59170.00   360.00 org-mobile-push

and from describe-variable timer-list :

([t 24184 55076 0 21600 org-mobile-push nil nil 0]
 [nil 24185 50052 498034 nil undo-auto--boundary-timer nil nil 779000]
 [nil 24185 50075 990913 60 display-time-event-handler nil nil 704001]
I snip the rest)





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bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Gijs Hillenius <gijs@hillenius.net>
> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 09:27:28 +0100
> 
> Since Sunday, I've been running emacs¹ from GDB, but there is nothing
> much to report. At startup, init.el sets  (run-at-time "10:35" 21600
> 'org-mobile-push). It ran on Sunday, but not on Monday (yesterday) -
> despite a good night's sleep.
> 
> Today (Tuesday), M-x timer-list shows:
> 
>       -59170.00   360.00 org-mobile-push
> 
> and from describe-variable timer-list :
> 
> ([t 24184 55076 0 21600 org-mobile-push nil nil 0]

The time of this timer is 23-Mar-2020 16:35 +0100.  This probably
means the timer did run at 10:35 that day, but you seem to say it
didn't.  Are you sure?  If it didn't run, we might have 2 mysteries
here instead of just one (the second one being how come the timer
didn't run, but the time it should run was updated).

Anyway, the real problem is that t in the first element of the vector.
It means the timer will never be run, because t means "running now",
something that should only be seen by code that is directly or
indirectly called by the timer function itself.  So it should never be
seen when you examine timer-list via M-: etc.

When Emacs finds a timer which is "ripe", i.e. its time has passed, it
updates its next time, then marks it with that t, then calls the timer
function, then replaces t with nil if the timer is to be repeated (as
it is in this case).  So the main question to be answered is: how come
that t remained in the timer?  I looked at timer-event-handler, the
function we call to run the timer, and didn't see there any way we
could fail to update the timer with nil after its function returns,
but I'm probably missing something because it factually did happen.

Can you instrument timer-event-handler, such that it will record in
some buffer everything that happens with the timer that calls
org-mobile-push?  In particular, is it possible that you put the
machine to sleep while the timer is running?  If so, what happens then
(I don't know how your system deals with sleep, and what do running
programs do during the sleep time)?  With such instrumentation in
place, when this problem happens next, we might get some idea
regarding what causes this strange situation.

Thanks.

bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep

[Gijs Hillenius]

On 25 March 2020 16:37 Eli Zaretskii, wrote:

>> From: Gijs Hillenius <gijs@hillenius.net>
>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 09:27:28 +0100
>> 
>> Since Sunday, I've been running emacs¹ from GDB, but there is nothing
>> much to report. At startup, init.el sets  (run-at-time "10:35" 21600
>> 'org-mobile-push). It ran on Sunday, but not on Monday (yesterday) -
>> despite a good night's sleep.
>> 
>> Today (Tuesday), M-x timer-list shows:
>> 
>>       -59170.00   360.00 org-mobile-push
>> 
>> and from describe-variable timer-list :
>> 
>> ([t 24184 55076 0 21600 org-mobile-push nil nil 0]
>
> The time of this timer is 23-Mar-2020 16:35 +0100.  This probably
> means the timer did run at 10:35 that day, but you seem to say it
> didn't.  Are you sure?  If it didn't run, we might have 2 mysteries
> here instead of just one (the second one being how come the timer
> didn't run, but the time it should run was updated).

It's safe to assume it ran on Monday. (Sorry)

[...]

> Can you instrument timer-event-handler, such that it will record in
> some buffer everything that happens with the timer that calls
> org-mobile-push?  In particular, is it possible that you put the
> machine to sleep while the timer is running?

Yes! This'll be fun!

bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep

[Gijs Hillenius]

Hello

I need a bit of help with instrumenting this correctly:

I've instrumented (run-at-time "10:35" 21600 'org-mobile-push)

using (evel-defun) C-M-x

This shows org-mobile-push runs without errors. In *Messages*:

(snip)
Edebug: edebug-anon11
Tracing...
Result: [nil 24189 51396 0 21600 org-mobile-push nil nil 0]
Creating agendas...
Preparing diary...done

[...] ten lines equal to this ^ one

Preparing diary...done
Agenda written to Org file /home/gijs/d/MobileOrg/agendas.org
Creating agendas...done
Saving all Org buffers... done
Copying files...
Writing index file...
Writing checksums...
Files for mobile viewer staged
[nil 24190 7460 0 21600 org-mobile-push nil nil 0]

M-x list-timers tells me:

      -71245.81   360.00 org-mobile-push

and eh, a little later, the variable value of list-timers shows:

([t 24188 52132 0 21600 org-mobile-push nil nil 0]


But then...  I guess (eval-defun) has run. I was expecting it to run
again in six hours?  I can wait all day, put the laptop to sleep, but
the timer won't repeat. The next day the list-timer will show a minus
sign for org-mobile-push, for example

-54728.53   360.00 org-mobile-push

and looking at /home/gijs/d/MobileOrg/agendas.org will show me the files
were updated only when I eval-defun'ed (run-at-time "10:35" 21600
'org-mobile-push) the day before. Not at 10:35, not "six hours" later,
not the next morning.

Did I evel-defun'ed org-mobile-push, instead of run-at-time?

bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Gijs Hillenius <gijs@hillenius.net>
> Cc: 39824@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2020 09:09:35 +0200
> 
> I need a bit of help with instrumenting this correctly:

See below for some ideas.

> I've instrumented (run-at-time "10:35" 21600 'org-mobile-push)
> 
> using (evel-defun) C-M-x
> 
> This shows org-mobile-push runs without errors. In *Messages*:
> 
> (snip)
> Edebug: edebug-anon11
> Tracing...
> Result: [nil 24189 51396 0 21600 org-mobile-push nil nil 0]

This time corresponds to 2020-03-27 10:35:00.  Did you show the timer
before or after the call to timer-inc-time in timer-event-handler,
which calls your timer function?  If this is after timer-inc-time was
called, then the above is the time of the _next_ timer invocation.  I
think it would be useful to log in *Messages* also the value of
current-time when the timer runs.

> Creating agendas...
> Preparing diary...done
> 
> [...] ten lines equal to this ^ one
> 
> Preparing diary...done
> Agenda written to Org file /home/gijs/d/MobileOrg/agendas.org
> Creating agendas...done
> Saving all Org buffers... done
> Copying files...
> Writing index file...
> Writing checksums...
> Files for mobile viewer staged
> [nil 24190 7460 0 21600 org-mobile-push nil nil 0]

This time corresponds to 2020-03-27 16:35:00, the next time your timer
should fire.

> M-x list-timers tells me:
> 
>       -71245.81   360.00 org-mobile-push
> 
> and eh, a little later, the variable value of list-timers shows:
> 
> ([t 24188 52132 0 21600 org-mobile-push nil nil 0]

But this time corresponds to 2020-03-26 16:35:00, i.e. the _previous_
day.  How could this have happened?

> But then...  I guess (eval-defun) has run. I was expecting it to run
> again in six hours?  I can wait all day, put the laptop to sleep, but
> the timer won't repeat. The next day the list-timer will show a minus
> sign for org-mobile-push, for example
> 
> -54728.53   360.00 org-mobile-push
> 
> and looking at /home/gijs/d/MobileOrg/agendas.org will show me the files
> were updated only when I eval-defun'ed (run-at-time "10:35" 21600
> 'org-mobile-push) the day before. Not at 10:35, not "six hours" later,
> not the next morning.

So you are saying that the messages in *Messages* that report the
update of /home/gijs/d/MobileOrg/agendas.org on 2020-03-27 10:35:00
are a lie, and no update actually happened at that time?  That would
be surprising, since Emacs says it wrote the file.  Or am I missing
something?  Maybe the time value shown there is the time of the _next_
timer trigger?

> Did I evel-defun'ed org-mobile-push, instead of run-at-time?

I cannot know that.  But what I had in mind was to add 'message' calls
in timer-event-handler, where it calls the timer function, increments
the time to calculate the next time the timer should run, and sets the
first element of the timer vector to nil.  Then we might have a better
idea what happens there when this strange problem occurs.  In
particular, I now wonder how come timer-inc-time returned the time for
the _previous_ day (assuming it was that function which did it).

Thanks.

bug#39824: I can't reproduce this any longer (was: bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep)

[Gijs Hillenius]

Hello Eli et all,

I'm not the original reporter of this bug

but thought I had something similar..

I have dilligently been testing my issue with run-at-time, but since
this Monday the timer has been working flawlessly; every six hours at
10:35, and at 16:35, and immediately after waking from sleep (usually
some twenty minutes after 07). I don't encounter negative times in M-x
list-timers anymore..

So, I guess it was just me, or perhaps Emacs master has fixed something
- I have the latest snapshot since Sunday.

I have lots of notes/logs if that is useful, but for now I'm no longer
investigating this bug.

bug#39824: I can't reproduce this any longer (was: bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep)

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Gijs Hillenius <gijs@hillenius.net>
> Cc: 39824@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2020 16:54:32 +0200
> 
> I have dilligently been testing my issue with run-at-time, but since
> this Monday the timer has been working flawlessly; every six hours at
> 10:35, and at 16:35, and immediately after waking from sleep (usually
> some twenty minutes after 07). I don't encounter negative times in M-x
> list-timers anymore..
> 
> So, I guess it was just me, or perhaps Emacs master has fixed something
> - I have the latest snapshot since Sunday.
> 
> I have lots of notes/logs if that is useful, but for now I'm no longer
> investigating this bug.

OK, thanks for your efforts.

bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep

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> Anyway, the real problem is that t in the first element of the vector.
> It means the timer will never be run, because t means "running now",
> something that should only be seen by code that is directly or
> indirectly called by the timer function itself.  So it should never be
> seen when you examine timer-list via M-: etc.
>
> When Emacs finds a timer which is "ripe", i.e. its time has passed, it
> updates its next time, then marks it with that t, then calls the timer
> function, then replaces t with nil if the timer is to be repeated (as
> it is in this case).  So the main question to be answered is: how come
> that t remained in the timer?  I looked at timer-event-handler, the
> function we call to run the timer, and didn't see there any way we
> could fail to update the timer with nil after its function returns,
> but I'm probably missing something because it factually did happen.

The negative timer problem happened to me today.

I checked and I also had t as the first element of the timer structure.

I'm quite positive it happened when there was an error when running
the timer function.

Is it possible there is no unwind-protect-like code around running
the timer and that's why the first element is not set t when the
timer function has an error.

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I proably found the problem.

debug-on-error has to be on

If you run a timer with an error:

(run-with-timer 0 1 (lambda ()
                      (print garbage)))

then the backtrace window comes up. If you press q there then you'll have a negative timer
in the list.

This probably is because function timer-event-handler uses condition-case-unless-debug,
so if you  press q then you go back to top level and the rest of the code doesn't run.

I understand condition-case-unless-debug is used, so one can debug a timer, but on the
other hand if debug is on for some other reason and the user press q  automatically
to get rid of the backtrace window then the timer list will have some garbage in it.

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bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 13:59:23 +0000
> From: ndame via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> 
> If you run a timer with an error:
> 
> (run-with-timer 0 1 (lambda ()
>                       (print garbage)))
> 
> then the backtrace window comes up. If you press q there then you'll have a negative timer 
> in the list.
> 
> This probably is because function timer-event-handler uses condition-case-unless-debug, 
> so if you  press q then you go back to top level and the rest of the code doesn't run.
> 
> I understand condition-case-unless-debug is used, so one can debug a timer, but on the 
> other hand if debug is on for some other reason and the user press q  automatically
> to get rid of the backtrace window then the timer list will have some garbage in it.

If a timer signals an error, it is TRT to disable it, right?
Otherwise, it will keep signaling errors over and over and over again,
right?

bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep

[ndame via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors]

> If a timer signals an error, it is TRT to disable it, right?
> Otherwise, it will keep signaling errors over and over and over again,
> right?

Naturally, but in this case the timer stays in the timer list with
an ever decreasing negative value. It won't fire again, but it will
stay in the timer list.

Anyway, I just wanted to explain which you asked earlier: "So the
main question to be answered is: how come that t remained in the timer?
I looked at timer-event-handler, the
function we call to run the timer, and didn't see there any way we
could fail to update the timer with nil after its function returns"

bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 15:54:51 +0000
> From: ndame <ndame@protonmail.com>
> Cc: "39824@debbugs.gnu.org" <39824@debbugs.gnu.org>
> 
> Anyway, I just wanted to explain which you asked earlier: "So the
> main question to be answered is: how come that t remained in the timer?

Thanks, but it still remains to be shown that the offending timer (the
real-life one) did indeed signal an error, or at least could have.

bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep

[ndame via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors]

>
> Thanks, but it still remains to be shown that the offending timer (the
> real-life one) did indeed signal an error, or at least could have.

I can't speak for the other reporter in the thread, only for my original
report about sleep.

I have a timer which runs every 15 minutes and it accesses the network.
It often occurred that the computer woke up from sleep, but the network was
not yet available (e.g. the cable was not plugged in). The timer run
instantly, because the 15 min cycle was long overdue and it had a network
error.

I usually have debug on to see what happened if there is an error and
dismissed this error backtrace with q, so it's very much possible I got
the negative timer from there.

Since then I pay attention to have the network available when I wake up
the computer, so it's likely that's why I don't have the negative timer
anymore.

bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 17:34:46 +0000
> From: ndame <ndame@protonmail.com>
> Cc: "39824@debbugs.gnu.org" <39824@debbugs.gnu.org>
> 
> I have a timer which runs every 15 minutes and it accesses the network.
> It often occurred that the computer woke up from sleep, but the network was
> not yet available (e.g. the cable was not plugged in). The timer run
> instantly, because the 15 min cycle was long overdue and it had a network
> error.
> 
> I usually have debug on to see what happened if there is an error and
> dismissed this error backtrace with q, so it's very much possible I got
> the negative timer from there.
> 
> Since then I pay attention to have the network available when I wake up
> the computer, so it's likely that's why I don't have the negative timer
> anymore.

Which means using this combination is probably not a good idea in your
case (unless you _want_ such timers to be disabled when these errors
happen).

IOW, the problem as you describe it happens entirely under your
control: you can cause it at will and you can make it go away at will.

bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 08:45:10 -0400
> 
> > Which means using this combination is probably not a good idea in your
> > case (unless you _want_ such timers to be disabled when these errors
> > happen).
> >
> > IOW, the problem as you describe it happens entirely under your
> > control: you can cause it at will and you can make it go away at will.
> 
> I have skimmed this thread.  Is it correct to say that there is no bug
> here?  If not, could someone please summarize what is the outstanding
> issue here?

I think there's no Emacs bug here: the timer runs exactly as
expected.  If there's a need to defer the timer when network is not
available, it should be done in the user's timer function.

bug#39824: 26.2; timers sometimes stop working when coming back from sleep

[Stefan Kangas]

tags 39824 + notabug
close 39824
thanks

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> I think there's no Emacs bug here: the timer runs exactly as
> expected.  If there's a need to defer the timer when network is not
> available, it should be done in the user's timer function.

Thanks, I'm therefore closing this bug report.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas