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Sun, 17 Apr 2022 06:34:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <838rs4z25a.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 17 Apr 2022 08:53:37 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:230054 Archived-At: >>>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 08:53:37 +0300, Eli Zaretskii said: Eli> The fundamental issue here is that some symbols have both an Emoji Eli> presentation and a "text" presentation, and the VARIATION SELECTOR= n Eli> characters tell the rendering system which presentation to display. Eli> The U+FE0F VARIATION SELECTOR 16 character tells Emacs to show the Eli> Emoji presentation. Without the variation selectors, Emacs displa= ys Eli> as Emoji only characters that are explicitly given the Emoji Eli> presentation as the default by the Unicode Character Database file= s. Eli> And AFAICT, U+1F37D is not one of them. Eli> (Robert, please correct me if I'm wrong here.) That=CA=BCs exactly how it works. See for a listing of the affected codepoints and default styles. >> I said, I don't understand this stuff. Is this extra codepoint supp= osed >> to be added for me? It doesn't seem like other apps require it. Eli> Emacs currently doesn't insert the variation selectors automatical= ly, Eli> although perhaps the Emoji input method should (or maybe already Eli> does, I didn't check). The stuff Lars added on master puts in variation selectors where needed. Eli> No, that wouldn't be right. We introduced the special 'emoji' Eli> pseudo-script in Emacs 28 to solve the problems of being unable to Eli> distinguish between Emoji codepoints and the other symbols and Eli> punctuation. We definitely do NOT want to use an Emoji font for Eli> symbols and punctuation characters and character sequences that ar= en't Eli> Emoji. Moreover, configuring the fontset to use some font for the Eli> 'symbol' pseudo-script by default doesn't do what you expect, beca= use Eli> Emacs uses the default font for symbols for which the default font= has Eli> a glyph. Modulo `use-default-font-for-symbols' Eli> So I think the recipe in NEWS is correct, and your expectations we= re Eli> inconsistent with the Emacs support for Emoji, at least with its s= tate Eli> in Emacs 28.1. I=CA=BCm not sure what we could change. I guess we could add a configuration variable that says 'treat every code point that has a default text presentation and an emoji one as emoji', except we already have that: VARIATION SELECTOR 16 Robert --=20