From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tpeplt Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#70402: 29.3; Error in "(emacs)Package Installation" description. Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:16:54 -0400 Message-ID: <87le5caujd.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87bk6ao3cy.fsf@gmail.com> <86mspujupa.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5176"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: 70402@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 17 17:18:17 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rx73B-00017I-0s for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 17 Apr 2024 17:18:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rx72x-0007OI-DD; 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Wed, 17 Apr 2024 08:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from t530.local ([2600:8806:a801:d4c0:1bb4:1840:c99c:2b9d]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bk9-20020a05620a1a0900b0078bea498e18sm8497440qkb.22.2024.04.17.08.16.55 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 17 Apr 2024 08:16:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86mspujupa.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 15 Apr 2024 22:24:01 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:283499 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: tpeplt >> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2024 15:03:25 -0400 >>=20 >>=20 >> The final sentence in this paragraph says that >> =E2=80=98package-enable-at-startup=E2=80=99 cannot be set via Customize,= but it is >> possible in Emacs 29.3 to set that variable via Customize. Type the >> following: >>=20 >> M-x customize-option RET >> Customize variable: package-enable-at-startup RET >>=20 >> After this sequence, the buffer "*Customize Option: Package Enable At >> Startup*" is displayed, which according to the Emacs user manual should >> not be possible. > > I think you misunderstand what the manual attempts to convey: that > customizing this variable will not have the desired effect, because it > must be set before reading the init file. If I understand you correctly, then there are two reasons, rather than one, for why the variable =E2=80=98package-enable-at-startup=E2=80=99 shoul= d not be an (customizable) option: 1. Because the Emacs user manual says that it cannot be set (it can). 2. Because setting the variable via =E2=80=98customize-option=E2=80=99 has = no effect (it happens too late in the initialization sequence?). If the user manual says that "something" cannot be done and doing so anyway would have no effect, then it should not be possible to do that "something." --=20 The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne. - Geoffrey Chaucer, The Parliament of Birds.