From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19284: 25.0.50; tls.el uses option --insecure Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 17:04:21 -0500 Organization: =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=A2=D0=B5=D0=BE=D0=B4=D0=BE=D1=80_?= =?UTF-8?Q?=D0=97=D0=BB=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=B2?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87k2ny1b8a.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <86iohpq3w2.fsf@informationelle-selbstbestimmung-im-internet.de> <87k2o0q5by.fsf@gnus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451340327 24661 80.91.229.3 (28 Dec 2015 22:05:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 22:05:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Jens Lechtenboerger , 19284@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 28 23:05:15 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aDfuj-00031b-Kq for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Mon, 28 Dec 2015 14:04:22 -0800 (PST) X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes In-Reply-To: <87k2o0q5by.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 26 Dec 2015 22:15:45 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:110931 Archived-At: On Sat, 26 Dec 2015 22:15:45 +0100 Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: LI> As Stefan said in a different report -- perhaps we should just require LI> Emacs with built-in TLS support if you want to use TLS. That would LI> essentially mean that we should just remove tls.el and starttls.el. LI> Alternatively we could, in Emacs 25.1, just remove the --insecure LI> settings and let people who try to connect to their IMAP server just LI> fail somewhat mysteriously (it's very common to have self-signed certs LI> for IMAP). I am in favor of either option and I think the first is cleaner. There will be a small but vocal group that wants to use the external tunnel utility. I think the benefit to the rest of the users will be worth it, and that group can have a ELPA package to support them. Ted