From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23006: 25.0.92; Loading Tramp breaks pcomplete in eshell-mode Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 13:08:43 +0100 Message-ID: <87k2kulnp0.fsf@gmx.de> References: <871t7d4ion.fsf@gmx.de> <87io0i32sq.fsf@gmx.de> <871t752nme.fsf@gmx.de> <87bn69uouo.fsf@gmx.de> <764322aa-50ea-96b4-7c2a-36fbd60b2b54@yandex.ru> <8760wgvql0.fsf@gmx.de> <87r3f4ub0o.fsf@gmx.de> <87k2kvomui.fsf@gmx.de> <877fgvom2b.fsf@gmx.de> <57b602fa-a6b7-48c7-22f0-3751cd956228@yandex.ru> <8737rjol0t.fsf@gmx.de> <67874c87-ff4b-c1d9-8567-4aab31252d0b@yandex.ru> <87y49bn53t.fsf@gmx.de> <87mvpqn9ti.fsf@gmx.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1458648620 23319 80.91.229.3 (22 Mar 2016 12:10:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 12:10:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 23006@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 22 13:10:09 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aiL7e-0000cP-8D for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Tue, 22 Mar 2016 12:09:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23006) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Mar 2016 12:08:56 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57843 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aiL7I-0000Ox-56 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2016 08:08:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:50684) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aiL7G-0000Oi-Jq for 23006@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2016 08:08:55 -0400 Original-Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.58.73]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MMBun-1agx0L1u5F-007zWp; Tue, 22 Mar 2016 13:08:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 22 Mar 2016 08:02:10 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:H2+ocJh62EjOqL6C8wGZH/ZYXJzP2Tr9WroPQ7hRaKuKfh2xaOA LoMG+/XPC7z4kCFTtRkRq02vRrwQJklr/uvzt2ag4J5NRZ0Vyy0Jda65c5+YSgoPs0ZIzWL xq3lK77Qiy4SQIvbBpQ2DbGsMKy0zXqhEfOTTI0GNtmi+prfwLjYctCtAmMz4J4cDg5uG2I FQF0lzi5d+MymkXtYogvw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:vfdxE3+XbbI=:+0+44oN53/+dbM/ih2Q7Qm QAaM834db1btAxfyPzMo4xM61gRYSqJlbcGAMvrUIzOz/gVCwu7o4MfXaNatv/DTLuiCCVTnB KwxcZpATdrxEGz5Ze6jmGmL//qUEB5DSjBrDqdzOp6LjHOeRf/xIql7ej9HN6cz2x692SvJEE VlwdfnC6zC9dWmTJGrwXXaTKyK77nEMIDBd1+CzHGYhw9ZxWPvgh9yOVarsAO1RLCABlRtF1f 7GTfBUz6/j1Y6CteEs+vuLl282Ac0WVVf3zZ0VhphDwR8Fvi6qw8nRTqfsh3q38V/HtQ0MGml no9fT4jzRkyKJZ+NjW9/WPlm/QAus73KNOoatY2ul2UZGnPepZbfOILPRFP3hWhfjVa1zTBv4 3boiyWOxQWjxU5pbNlH2fnZVNsWfg2jO68dsLlArtUEH83TrVknGfgxcDhCAwZWKM6Jwy52TB IDgqI1vV65jcyVW6A8dPx8CIlXJRmPpl83AWMJwAWBDpgv0R/8XGDsBHvieWj1bRFr1j2PLM9 DjvUTr/RiDCJB819NipRVG5qVXltU3XJecRKQ8cDZ6QvFi2frlbtwEg3JiY+BesH869cWM0ra wu4vb3HJjj6SpuVcG6Ju8zdP+lPjz30sDonIPkO+vDaMRCLxhj7axhtXMjtW9cm8SIbuHf0lL vkwBEEAJcSw8VQyahwY2UAt9q43CsZmron6ZmMNOOrQm4fgOphevvf3iR9irVJOBuJR9Kvkw5 850XTtgWBrpI/mt7fBDbqxOI8b577rz2UtN8luO0yzJIZV1XrD5d9WQOyxARI9P1kBOIm8Jf X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:115313 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >>>> And I don't understand why Tramp shall refuse to provide file name >>>> completion once the user has asked for this explicitely. Typing >>>> "/ssh:host:tmp/em TAB" is a very convincing argument to me, that the >>>> user wants a new connection to "host", >>> We all agree. And in that case, non-essential will be nil, so Tramp >>> can open a connection. It can even do that without the second slash. >> As Dmitry has shown, there might be cases Tramp shall not open a new >> connection even in this case (called from an idle timer). > > In the idle timer case, non-essential will be non-nil, so Tramp should > never open a connection. > >> So we need a distinction between "it is always blocked to open a new >> connection" and "We recommend Tramp to open a new connection only when >> it is safe for Tramp". One single value of non-essential doesn't fit >> this bill. > > I must have missed something. Can you repeat which are the three > different cases you have in mind? > [ In this message, I only see two cases, and I'm not sure what the > third would be. ] I'm speaking only about two different cases. File name completion started by user activity, like hitting TAB. And file name completion started in the background, for example via idle timers. If I have said "three" somewhere else, it was a mistake. > Stefan Best regards, Michael.