From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#61325: 30.0.50; Jokes in GNUS manual Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 10:43:52 +0000 Message-ID: <87k00ej5p3.fsf@localhost> References: <87ttzy7pg1.fsf@localhost> <83sffipxn8.fsf@gnu.org> <87edqn6pmc.fsf@iki.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1448"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 61325@debbugs.gnu.org To: Petteri Hintsanen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 19 11:44:27 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pThBC-00009v-5b for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2023 11:44:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pThAq-00031A-5r; Sun, 19 Feb 2023 05:44:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pThAo-00030j-Kt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2023 05:44:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pThAo-0005cB-CI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2023 05:44:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pThAo-0007r3-47 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2023 05:44:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Ihor Radchenko Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 10:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61325 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 61325-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61325.167680340330132 (code B ref 61325); Sun, 19 Feb 2023 10:44:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 61325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2023 10:43:23 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45786 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pThAB-0007pw-8p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2023 05:43:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:39787) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pThA9-0007pi-EY for 61325@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2023 05:43:22 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A0E1240234 for <61325@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 19 Feb 2023 11:43:13 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1676803395; bh=QVUrkzlYDI1VAzP9POfK9GVyUdovbnrp9u8CoeL8diA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=K1mH92KawF0yM3wLbhR+Hni30cngU1n0zLwTR2LzeinBQ5Y8bhdvB1GYuAHiznTf+ Krk+l1RnFsMey+hxJ33AkPmKc/m+rmsUwyAMGRNJ1OmTvxIunp/jZSrFr5xtmEdFz6 +BVe1D6prc6dtsAQ7ox/lGSzRaVC11a8wT4qubA7WDgQSgkn+azFltT0UoYIu+8qdj GhjdXIjSxG15jirM2QOhFSKhqVZU8r6rvlTfRkRWRcerR/4T3L2vtSd0AYon1qO+ih 7ZwtOHneSKhmvPLx037/0Vi6dBRLSTgJU90SVr6OY8l2QKiTPEWBop7EEZfJN9tHIw Bq2Il4P8ODijA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4PKMb50Mzxz6ts8; Sun, 19 Feb 2023 11:43:12 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <87edqn6pmc.fsf@iki.fi> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:256047 Archived-At: Petteri Hintsanen writes: > Looking at the big picture, Gnus manual is full of jokes, irony, > self-deprecation, and other literary devices. It is a losing battle to > try to somehow clean it up by cutting some, possibly objectionable or > confusing, thorns. The manual is full of them. I do not think that objectionable jokes are many in the Gnus manual. I do not think that jokes Gnus manual are all bad. I believe that we can improve the jokes in the Gnus manual, replace some, or add new. We cannot treat manuals as a complete literary piece that must not be changed significantly even when the underlying software is being actively developed. > The whole manual should be rewritten, if one wants to have it written in > "neutral" style -- whatever that would be. For the sake of argument, > let's say that "without literary gimmicks of any kind." I do not think so. We can have jokes in GNU manuals. Officially. https://www.gnu.org/prep/maintain/maintain.html#Humor > As for adjusting the tone of the current manual, I don't see much return > of investment. That energy would be better spent elsewhere. I'd leave > the current manual as-is. I believe that the current manual can be improved without rewriting. It is more likely than someone rewriting it. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at