From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, 69097@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#69097: [PATCH] Add 'kill-region-or-word' command
Date: Fri, 03 May 2024 16:20:18 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87jzka6f5p.fsf@posteo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86v83vi2kr.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 03 May 2024 13:59:00 +0300")
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
>> Cc: 69097@debbugs.gnu.org, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
>> Date: Fri, 03 May 2024 10:48:13 +0000
>>
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>> >> ping? I had a discussion with RMS off-list and he seemed to be
>> >> supportive of the change.
>> >
>> > That's a problem with off-list discussions: no one knows about them.
>>
>> I also realised this too late, if you want to I can resend the messages.
>
> I think that would be a good idea, at least for posterity. So please
> do.
Done, let's see if my mail server allows it.
>> > More to the point, can you explain why we need this, given the
>> > existence of kill-word?
>> >
>> > Also, this kills backward, something that is not evident, neither from
>> > the name of the command nor from the doc string (and the obscure
>> > reference to Unix doesn't help, IMO).
>> >
>> > Finally, having another command that kills the region doesn't seem
>> > justified, or is it?
>>
>> The motivation is sort of the same as with generalising `upcase-word' to
>> `upcase-dwim'. If there is no active region, it behaves like
>> `backward-kill-word' (which is what C-w does in a terminal as well), but
>> if there is an active region it reverts to `kill-ring-save'.
>
> If so, then (assuming we decide to accept this change), the name of
> the command should be something like kill-word-dwim, and the doc
> string should mention the two commands you refer to above.
I am not sure if the analogy is that perfect, but I certainly can
mention `backward-kill-word' and `kill-ring-save'.
>> I have this in my personal configuration for ages, and it is always
>> one of the first things I re-implement when using an Emacs without a
>> custom init.el.
>
> Any reason why you need this command and cannot settle for the two
> commands it replaces heuristically? Are you using Emacs with
> transient-mark-mode on or off?
With transient-mark-mode on. I have a mixed habit of using C-w in
terminals and in Emacs, and which one I want to use correlates pretty
well with there being an active region.
--
Philip Kaludercic on peregrine
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Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-02-13 9:55 bug#69097: [PATCH] Add 'kill-region-or-word' command Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-17 3:53 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <87ttm7gi9i.fsf@posteo.net>
2024-02-19 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <87sf1obkw9.fsf@posteo.net>
2024-02-23 3:04 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <871q93rzv8.fsf@posteo.net>
2024-02-25 3:16 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <87frxgn73g.fsf@posteo.net>
2024-02-27 3:12 ` Richard Stallman
2024-05-03 7:37 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-03 10:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-03 10:48 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-03 10:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-03 11:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-03 17:32 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-03 18:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-03 19:41 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-04 6:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-05 6:53 ` Juri Linkov
2024-05-05 9:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-05 16:29 ` Juri Linkov
2024-05-05 16:54 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-05 16:59 ` Juri Linkov
2024-05-05 17:08 ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-05 18:27 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-05 17:05 ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-05 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-05 17:53 ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06 0:21 ` Sean Whitton via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06 16:46 ` Sean Whitton via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06 16:51 ` Sean Whitton via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06 17:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-07 8:47 ` Sean Whitton via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-07 8:47 ` Sean Whitton via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-05 16:47 ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-03 16:20 ` Philip Kaludercic [this message]
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