From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19622: 25.0.50; Spell checking and Unicode don't mix... Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 00:46:21 +0100 Message-ID: <87imo3upma.fsf@marxist.se> References: <20150117205533.5dfaea94@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <834mrnzbm1.fsf@gnu.org> <20150119081501.65e931af@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <83twzmyc78.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="170236"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 19622@debbugs.gnu.org, "Perry E. Metzger" To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 02 00:47:30 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iQgdd-000iBR-NO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 00:47:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43974 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iQgdc-00038R-16 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:47:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38520) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iQgdD-00038A-Gx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:47:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQgdC-0003MY-Bj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:47:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:48756) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQgdC-0003Lm-83 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:47:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQgdB-0002jf-Mb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:47:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 23:47:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19622 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 19622-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19622.157265199510466 (code B ref 19622); Fri, 01 Nov 2019 23:47:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19622) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2019 23:46:35 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57575 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQgck-0002ig-Gt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:46:35 -0400 Original-Received: from host.gofardesign.uk ([208.79.239.190]:47881) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQgcg-0002iH-8N; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:46:32 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=lvpHBFQ5n2WiaqgmMl0vWc5UmcQ5X6dAnRwOF8wgqRc=; b=JfnC3oRCvv7Qfx/414z/reXdJE LqKgPCEAD1LAjqYLDy+sC+sml5aeaoh0Po6BveUb//zK5HMplhHoGy9vmIftwLAjgYDlt2a6jDG3r h+flfREHIEpC4FYYbBUGosqCU7HruPt0wOTucSFnuZNVF/M0NJ5Pf62sKUfF2KS1owVE=; Original-Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:42464 helo=localhost) by host.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iQgcZ-00016J-D1; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 18:46:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83twzmyc78.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:20:11 +0200") X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: host.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: host.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:170717 Archived-At: tags 19622 + wontfix close 19622 thanks Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 08:15:01 -0500 >> From: "Perry E. Metzger" >> Cc: 19622@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> > It's up to the speller, so it isn't an Emacs problem/bug/issue. The >> > characters that are word constituent are stated in the .aff file for >> > the language you use, and they come with the speller (and are >> > tailored to what the speller does and doesn't know about the word >> > structure). Emacs cannot fix that. >> >> Emacs could replace punctuation on its way down the pipe to >> the inferior process if it wishes to as a stop gap. > > Wouldn't some users object to such replacements? They could mask > mis-spelled words. > > Also, how would Emacs know that the replacement will DTRT with the > speller which is being used? Each speller has its own capabilities > and rules wrt word morphology. These are described by the .aff files, > but Emacs is too dumb to understand those rules; the only thing it > knows is how to fetch WORDCHARS and non-WORDCHARS from there. > > IOW, I'm not at all sure this is a problem that Emacs could and should > fix. Why not report it upstream to the developers of the speller you > use? I agree with Eli here, and I'm consequently closing this as wontfix. If anyone disagrees with that, and feels that Emacs should indeed do something differently, feel free to reopen the bug. Best regards, Stefan Kangas