From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#39902: 28.0.50; Marking in dired with active region Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 16:02:39 +0100 Message-ID: <87imjdvaeo.fsf@web.de> References: <87d09suras.fsf@web.de> <87tv33r8e2.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87eeu6hpjf.fsf@web.de> <875zfixuoy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87h7z1jadw.fsf@web.de> <0a7fbe16-c51f-74f6-11e0-204d472ac83e@gmx.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="68103"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 39902@debbugs.gnu.org, Juri Linkov To: martin rudalics Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 09 16:03:58 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jBJwk-000HbV-1e for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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s=dbaedf251592; t=1583766164; bh=mdlZFvX22IoTOSRAFjFk5Q0HHz+o+A+sINJ4kcc56pE=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=mBjdQuz4DA+ziLkVk7/uwlzyg3ZyvhZSVUMSKJ+iM2tLAGj0k1DEKkAPvFN3MMw77 TxG0l8IKl010zDp137OGEbbiYjYtzAj5OxXk2DXoR9hbgfQcXu/h06SzZu8YUfkXxW DaVokmxphhLvuRPPAgMhgEAhDtr2UD9fzki0qxww= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Original-Received: from drachen.dragon ([92.208.89.41]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb004 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MgqrQ-1iy2GS1gNU-00M7Ww; Mon, 09 Mar 2020 16:02:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: <0a7fbe16-c51f-74f6-11e0-204d472ac83e@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Mon, 9 Mar 2020 10:04:04 +0100") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:lLRGpjvgIUSqUrlxKsvC91cOCnJr668bW8O4uvdNsaYFSm5YKOw lgl4xwbPYOSAl0Tpdc30GE42DLioeUDIuEjSizGDjWq7qIA+VVsQ+5DZMUzZlY+XQUYFl4i YgXfUHjRU/5dr2c83yq7b1B1pChNrYNeJsOvsRFQdYuRHZcLa+IDRyHenS7bBU4Ov/HN/Bk 4GSQjyYW/oSDZVOPHPu8Q== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:FW51NDyDZwM=:7lZ0SSN+eYOtW5bb21nE7H 4GmqQ82vdtTWXn7XYXe+eKICnzt2LyqyvJnrf0LChZXuagU597fAAe6hlQvofaOmsN2vNWWt/ E2Fkcq/ja9YTZj73HVHPAodsTevrS0u1cwt6kwEeJM67xwwyjBZIve3Vz6iZVgZHFNu6A4V2N f384PscnGvLPCF8pT0VPV8O0RPZdIO1ZvyvRfCOurSPfGONwPkaoKSmGAkCVmecuxu0a0tX4i BS+KV9+3DNE+2LGQFQGaFSWQDqiYD3CdiKhxtXW/5OUDLtXFj2p9JxnpCnL8wgIYW0fQqaCPe zd78egD2hR5+yzY14Yuh0oRGCjMnzIx7TRNMjXcnv9JqzZSGZh3UGb7BrjDYb56zMdtuOVoGr B7yWqRbdmaorJMTyijgwWtkXARW6TqyBFx3E9Pwde4qzQZEZnJKNB2Z8+EkUPTdMDETIEuVTf JbHWyEyExYqUXmUXPAdhHDx9jo+JKuVVWrqOt8VEFTqvR+tBWdY1D0HqoMxzB0SgrBmTW9x/5 z4B1KOX1Rd1h76kpcln1FEZNzQyHkVTdHOhOAtzJgQvalNEeQe4z6uw8nuNs8g9udDIpHF8X+ ypSb3dxNlI0TlfFXsRqkE9rjih+75UHwfaX9uCuEVtjyl7S/97QcEpnMb7HQDS/d+SVx+2Qj0 By1qaAxw8fBT3XL0988PvJ9uH3cbfAxq+KASuMHmkUiJKvA28a7ySu8+nbrYfn7e/8NQxHvfo 40wDRNjgQPHNVq5AftmGHE/ROduW72UsFEqgd4dcz7w5cYmU7jQmT4J06mnLv66LJkV3s4Ge X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:177091 Archived-At: martin rudalics writes: > Such "graphical" file browsers are line-based, they do not have a way > to specify a position within such a line unless you are in the > (usually F2 invoked) rename mode which puts a mask on the file name > whose contents you can modify. I don't get your argument. FWIW, most of these browsers have different kinds of "views", and I have in mind the view that is not line based but uses a grid of icons with names under them. Marking a region with the mouse happens continuously. What I want to say here is that the current behavior makes no sense to me. And I very much think that I'm not the only one. I don't want to justify why I have this expectation and be told that my mental model is wrong. There is no way to mathematically prove whose expectations are right and whose are wrong. These expectations are always subjective. When some users are confused by the current behavior, it would be good to improve Emacs when it's simple as it is here. Michael.