From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: dick Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#61325: 30.0.50; Jokes in GNUS manual Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2023 08:06:09 -0500 Message-ID: <87ilgccnni.fsf@dick> References: <87ttzy7pg1.fsf@localhost> <87wn4u6xj0.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1676"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.14 (Gnus v5.14) Cc: Po Lu , yantar92@posteo.net, 61325@debbugs.gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 08 15:29:36 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pPlS3-0000G6-0w for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 15:29:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pPlRZ-0007cj-W7; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 09:29:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pPlRX-0007br-Rl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 09:29:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pPlRX-0008Iu-JI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 09:29:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pPlRX-0007Pt-FA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 09:29:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: dick Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2023 14:29:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61325 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 61325-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61325.167586650128419 (code B ref 61325); Wed, 08 Feb 2023 14:29:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 61325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2023 14:28:21 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55128 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pPlQo-0007OF-UK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 09:28:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-qt1-f179.google.com ([209.85.160.179]:42803) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pPk9Q-0002pD-2Q for 61325@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 08:06:17 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-qt1-f179.google.com with SMTP id 5so10586732qtp.9 for <61325@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 05:06:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date:references:in-reply-to :subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=AQkr7k+fr7STE+SLYuFC80l+O2f+86orLDe1bH/QIQo=; b=Zxu3R0jYdMA4yvTB9zPaA7YW4yLc5RXXsyEocwdlc//4+dlZGmd48buhlf58iCyM3I zizG2ERSokxZjYOsqQbU1YdpMvGZXYhsIW8o40GdfeWMUi9CuTa0kRGr0Jp46GJUHSDb rgM4/ay7u2jg5sOiIKS+ijZDJ5IhvjCRqWDHs0O9K9l+eXaGXPTjZkJ59vdQSIbPJ2sO hp8rIyrtw4gkD0G+zL6Hp1QnfXFSfe5oZsPFItE3oXmExHox9vWv85N0olO2Xy5jAFUb Vk6DXY/f1mQyGVXzSarNu8HDiHyzRBwSFWK6pOaElJShtMM08a9Iq7Asa0zr2DlY1UP1 H7EA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date:references:in-reply-to :subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=AQkr7k+fr7STE+SLYuFC80l+O2f+86orLDe1bH/QIQo=; b=WjY+dEh31sABmJ8VgFavcypp9TwV7idNJzihI6yVc7XmI7LVluFH1lXtX79Cu6R2cJ U2EyFtgpwwzMjIQpboQDYzj38r1BjMtMyVjQFSfOKuAVEcn8fGkFmyLOWoHHVsWELowe fIFrElnVa9dfqaqkYPOSpOhctCmpNJhc40uiv0Ad+Idr/Xr8yhwJxWyt31wsdMK7iGTI JRTuLRqb6bRyL+kw+I5cwnjD5HA3pzF6q81Dse/HNgZIA7Vig3LBMhOUjyfrLO/KiLpg I6Ja31AZmRuhnTvVc0cFbnFZ9GNnDqfwQtkqcCJYwcjRgjFrJ2unHj55piSoCOyRbfi+ Dh7A== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKX72wEcMUepvMNyUcycKBhTcIAPyv3Kzn1MUMZwFsMkOXt4kKRO 5V7/MFzvt1/ricKDCd77GLU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set++GfAKFtT7hrCg4EpXo8y5MKsrC5A7bhyX52BZezZcQq58ruL9Dzw/46SQnf3yBMRya6pfYQ== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:4e56:0:b0:3b8:61df:1c2 with SMTP id e22-20020ac84e56000000b003b861df01c2mr12160332qtw.56.1675861570541; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 05:06:10 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from localhost (ool-45763be4.dyn.optonline.net. [69.118.59.228]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e18-20020ac86712000000b003b9a505627bsm11343116qtp.79.2023.02.08.05.06.10 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 08 Feb 2023 05:06:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 07 Feb 2023 23:31:53 -0500") X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 08 Feb 2023 09:28:17 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:255131 Archived-At: I trust everyone here can acknowledge Gnus had long ago reached a terminal state, and that new readers of the manual are more interested in 1990s netspeak than actually using the software. As you readily note, the manual is worthless for the latter's purpose. Gnusers worldwide, all 12 of us, have long known this. I also trust everyone can see we're critiquing the equivalent of a five year-old's clay ashtray as if it were a Confederate monument, which I grant you is welcome respite from purposelessness and childlessness, but nothing to build a head of steam about!