can't unjumble foreign buffer

can't unjumble foreign buffer

[Dan Jacobson]

I do find-file on a file that is unicode text (.txt), and I want to
unjumble before my eyes.  The only thing on the menus that might be
appropriate is 'set coding system' but that is greyed-out.

I do then instead Set Language Environment, but that instead affects
all buffers.  And one doesn't see Unicode there.

OK, I put it into mozilla and selected Unicode and can read it.

My point is your menus don't have a intuitive way for the user to do
Mozilla's "View --> Character coding"

Admit it, one looks and looks and the best one can guess is that what
we want is in ..Mule...Set coding system, maybe. But it is greyed-out.

The user can't find what he wants from the face of it.
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Re: can't unjumble foreign buffer

[Kevin Rodgers]

Dan Jacobson wrote:

> I do find-file on a file that is unicode text (.txt), and I want to
> unjumble before my eyes.  The only thing on the menus that might be
> appropriate is 'set coding system' but that is greyed-out.

 From emacs-21.3/lisp/international/mule-cmds.el:

(define-key-after mule-menu-keymap [set-various-coding-system]
   (list 'menu-item "Set Coding Systems" set-coding-system-map
	:enable 'enable-multibyte-characters))

So the "Set Coding Systems" menu item is grayed-out when
enable-multibyte-characters is nil.  So you must have explicitly disabled
multibyte character support.

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Re: can't unjumble foreign buffer

[Dan Jacobson]

>> I do find-file on a file that is unicode text (.txt), and I want to
>> unjumble before my eyes.  The only thing on the menus that might be
>> appropriate is 'set coding system' but that is greyed-out.

K> So the "Set Coding Systems" menu item is grayed-out when
K> enable-multibyte-characters is nil.  So you must have explicitly disabled
K> multibyte character support.

No, my file,
begin 644 bad.txt
)Y8N9Y'SEG+#E
`
end
it turned out, wasn't perfect unicode.
Well, I still think emacs should be more comforting in telling the
user what is bothering it, instead of just shuttering its windows like
my file was a SARS patient, of by the way I hear plenty on my
ambulance scanner radio.
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Re: can't unjumble foreign buffer

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <87he7xunyn.fsf@jidanni.org>, Dan Jacobson <jidanni@dman.ddts.net> writes:
> I do find-file on a file that is unicode text (.txt), and I want to
> unjumble before my eyes.  The only thing on the menus that might be
> appropriate is 'set coding system' but that is greyed-out.

> I do then instead Set Language Environment, but that instead affects
> all buffers.  And one doesn't see Unicode there.

> OK, I put it into mozilla and selected Unicode and can read it.

> My point is your menus don't have a intuitive way for the user to do
> Mozilla's "View --> Character coding"

> Admit it, one looks and looks and the best one can guess is that what
> we want is in ..Mule...Set coding system, maybe. But it is greyed-out.

Perhaps the file is detected as raw bytes.

I've just installed the attached fix so that the menu "Set
Coding Systems" is not greyed-out as far as Emacs is in
multibyte mode even if the current buffer is unibyte.

And, the HEAD version has this menu (which is also bound to
C-x RET r):

<menu-bar> <options> <mule> <set-various-coding-system>
<revert-buffer-with-coding-system>

When you select this menu, Emacs asks you to type a coding
system name, and re-visit the buffer file with the specified
coding system.

Isn't it what you want?

---
Ken'ichi HANDA
handa@m17n.org

2003-05-16  Kenichi Handa  <handa@m17n.org>

	* international/mule-cmds.el (mule-menu-keymap): Enable the menu
	set-various-coding-system when
	default-enable-multibyte-characters is non-nil.

Index: mule-cmds.el
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RCS file: /cvsroot/emacs/emacs/lisp/international/mule-cmds.el,v
retrieving revision 1.230
retrieving revision 1.231
diff -u -c -r1.230 -r1.231
cvs server: conflicting specifications of output style
*** mule-cmds.el	28 Apr 2003 09:16:19 -0000	1.230
--- mule-cmds.el	16 May 2003 04:15:20 -0000	1.231
***************
*** 84,90 ****
    t)
  (define-key-after mule-menu-keymap [set-various-coding-system]
    (list 'menu-item "Set Coding Systems" set-coding-system-map
! 	:enable 'enable-multibyte-characters))
  (define-key-after mule-menu-keymap [view-hello-file]
    '(menu-item "Show Multi-lingual Text" view-hello-file
  	      :enable (file-readable-p
--- 84,90 ----
    t)
  (define-key-after mule-menu-keymap [set-various-coding-system]
    (list 'menu-item "Set Coding Systems" set-coding-system-map
! 	:enable 'default-enable-multibyte-characters))
  (define-key-after mule-menu-keymap [view-hello-file]
    '(menu-item "Show Multi-lingual Text" view-hello-file
  	      :enable (file-readable-p

Re: can't unjumble foreign buffer

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <200305160424.NAA06066@etlken.m17n.org>, Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:
>>  Admit it, one looks and looks and the best one can guess is that what
>>  we want is in ..Mule...Set coding system, maybe. But it is greyed-out.

> Perhaps the file is detected as raw bytes.

One more thing to add.

In the HEAD version, the priority of UTF-8 gets higher,
thus, usually, an UTF-8 file should be automatically decoded
correctly.

---
Ken'ichi HANDA
handa@m17n.org