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[73.172.248.173]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t18sm8036979qkl.11.2016.02.05.07.34.12 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 05 Feb 2016 07:34:12 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by holos.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1E050696E3; Fri, 5 Feb 2016 10:34:11 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20160205151327.GE7727@acm.fritz.box> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Fri, 5 Feb 2016 15:13:27 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:112494 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie writes: >> No, it's a deliberate feature, AFAIU. > > You mean, there should no longer be a vanilla fundamental mode? I would > argue that no "helpful" electric modes should be enabled in FM. At the > moment, it appears, we are lacking a What-You-Do-Is-What-You-Get mode. > > I think electric-*-modes should be disabled in FM unless explicitly > enabled by the user in an FM buffer. We've become far too "clever" with > all these facilities. electric-indent-mode is the only electric-*-mode on by default, and I never understood why it was enabled. Up until bracketed paste was implemented, this issue of indenting pastes had been an annoyance (only later on did I realize to disable this electric mode).