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From: Marcin Borkowski <mbork@mbork.pl>
To: John Wiegley <johnw@gnu.org>
Cc: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>,
	6922@debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	Org-Mode mailing list <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>,
	mt_void@warpmail.net
Subject: bug#6922: 23.1; Setting read-only property in an overlay has no effect
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 06:12:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87h9h6zjn9.fsf@mbork.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m28u2wupk5.fsf@newartisans.com>


On 2016-02-07, at 23:24, John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> What is the current consensus? should we adjust the documentation or fix the
>> code? John? Richard?
>
> I think read-only overlays could be very useful. For example:
>
>  1. Create a command called `mask-regexp'. It creates read-only overlays for
>     matching text throughout the buffer.
>  2. There should also be a way to add manual masks, using `mask-region'.
>  3. Now use `replace-string' or any other command to bulk transform text.
>     However, masked text is not changed.
>  4. Then execute unmask-all, and the mask disappears.
>
> This method of editing is key to video editing workflows. I think the only
> reason I never thought to use it in Emacs is because it's never been there
> (and so never occurred to me until now).

Hi,

I just realized that this idea could be /extremely/ useful.  Here's the
case: I start a clock in Org-mode (C-c C-x C-i), and an entry with the
starting time is added in the :LOGBOOK: drawer (and btw, it is
invisible).  While working on the file, I hit C-/ (undo) once too many,
and the entry disappears (and this fact is still invisible to me!).
Then, after some more work, I stop the clock only to see "org-clock-out:
Clock start time is gone", and my clock is still going on (!).

While the last thing (about the clock still going on) is probably an
Org-mode bug (I'll propbably report it later "officially", I'm now
Cc-ing this message to the Org-mode ML), the whole experience (and yes,
it happened to me) is /very/ confusing.

When read-only properties and masking are here, Org could just mark the
half-done entry as read-only.  I suspect that trying to undo it would
perhaps trigger some error, which could be confusing, but it would be
still better than silently removing a vital information.

Best,

-- 
Marcin Borkowski
http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski
Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science
Adam Mickiewicz University





  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-02-18  5:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-26 14:46 bug#6922: 23.1; Setting read-only property in an overlay has no effect MT
2011-12-10 12:09 ` Johan Bockgård
2016-01-18 21:29 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-01-20 18:00   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-21  3:02     ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-21 17:33       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-22  3:24         ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-22  7:37           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-22 10:59             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-22 12:58               ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-07 22:24     ` John Wiegley
2016-02-07 22:30       ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-18  5:12       ` Marcin Borkowski [this message]
2016-02-18 16:52         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 18:53           ` John Wiegley
2016-02-08 16:04     ` John Wiegley
2016-02-08 17:55       ` Eli Zaretskii

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