From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote. Date: Thu, 05 May 2016 00:19:47 +0200 Message-ID: <87h9ed1n5o.fsf@gnus.org> References: <7e599cf6-18c3-1633-33d5-e9f4eaa8fe6a@cs.ucla.edu> <20160502191031.GB2048@acm.fritz.box> <83a8k7kv87.fsf@gnu.org> <20160503162716.GB11330@acm.fritz.box> <831t5jkrn2.fsf@gnu.org> <20160503200330.GC11330@acm.fritz.box> <83twidj0tj.fsf@gnu.org> <20160504164849.GA31717@acm.fritz.box> <83d1p1iwls.fsf@gnu.org> <20160504180417.GB31717@acm.fritz.box> <8ac2d87c-7f8f-4370-82bc-77c7dfceb4c5@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1462400445 16499 80.91.229.3 (4 May 2016 22:20:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 22:20:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 23425@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov To: "John Wiegley" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 05 00:20:33 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ay59k-0008JW-Tc for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 00:20:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50565 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay59d-0002Bt-M7 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 18:20:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50215) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay59V-0001zh-64 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 18:20:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay59J-0004V3-Ew for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 18:20:11 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:54343) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay59J-0004SI-C5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 18:20:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ay59F-0001GT-Uz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 18:20:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 22:20:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23425 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 23425-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23425.14624003994848 (code B ref 23425); Wed, 04 May 2016 22:20:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23425) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2016 22:19:59 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38447 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ay59D-0001G8-2P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 18:19:59 -0400 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:47693) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ay59A-0001Fy-Dm for 23425@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 18:19:57 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ay592-0005zg-I3; Thu, 05 May 2016 00:19:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Wed, 04 May 2016 14:15:54 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:117818 Archived-At: "John Wiegley" writes: > Let's see what the populace says, and how many pitchforks are raised. It's > quite possible we may revert this whole feature in 26, but let's get some > genuine public reaction before deciding the matter. Well, while I don't quite understand the whole "hatin' on quotes" thing, I think Paul's arguments makes sense. But we should document this in a forward-looking manner. We should say that Emacs in the future may do random substitutions of characters in the first string of `message' and `format', and that the only way to get things untranslated is this: (format "%s" foo) And, please, then stick to that, and not start doing at-our-whim translations of the rest of the arguments. :-) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no