From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#32578: Remove "joke" from drag events documentation Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:20:03 +0200 Message-ID: <87h8jc2ue4.fsf@mbork.pl> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1535614041 12680 195.159.176.226 (30 Aug 2018 07:27:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 07:27:21 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 27.0.50 Cc: 32578@debbugs.gnu.org To: Chris Shea Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 30 09:27:17 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fvHMJ-00038c-Db for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:27:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47432 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fvHOP-0002kA-Jq for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 03:29:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55021) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fvHOD-0002eg-Nl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 03:29:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fvHHG-0006Kw-77 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 03:22:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:32837) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fvHHG-0006Kl-2T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 03:22:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fvHHF-0001DV-UB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 03:22:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Marcin Borkowski Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 07:22:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 32578 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 32578-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B32578.15356136694613 (code B ref 32578); Thu, 30 Aug 2018 07:22:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 32578) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Aug 2018 07:21:09 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37855 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fvHGP-0001CJ-7S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 03:21:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:45304) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fvHGN-0001CB-Q9 for 32578@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 03:21:08 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F06E6559; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:21:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lhO9b1t7JqU7; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:21:00 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (188.47.46.231.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl [188.47.46.231]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 32285E6515; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:21:00 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:149858 Archived-At: On 2018-08-29, at 19:29, Chris Shea wrote: > Hello, > > This patch removes an unnecessary and unwelcoming joke from the drag events > documentation. Documentation should be informative and inclusive. I'm a bit on the fence about this. On the one hand, I remember seeing the joke some time ago and finding it hilarious. On the other hand, I remember feeling good about removing other jokes from Emacs sources, which were _really_ offensive. This one seems to be far, far from offensive anyway, and if anyone feels offended by this, they probably well deserve it. Disclosure: I know (and often tell myself) jokes about groups of people _I_ belong to which are probably much more "offensive" than this one (though obviously I may be biased). I can provide a sample on request. I don't see how the relevant portion can be seen as not informative. BTW, I am now coauthoring a book on pretty advanced mathematics (nonlinear analysis), and we try to put quite a lot of jokes into it. Well-placed jokes do not make a book/documentation less informative, but more pleasant to read. (Unfortunately, there is nothing about "drag events" in the book.) If I were to made a decision, I would probably (a bit reluctantly, but still) leave it, so that Emacs does not succumb to the idiocy called "political correctness". Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl