From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#41250: 28.0.50; Dired displays unconditionally ls-switches on modeline Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2020 03:25:42 +0200 Message-ID: <87h7rewxd5.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87v9ky9p6o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <654acc31-015d-4552-bd9b-3b8c69661fcd@default> <0957af50-7f85-455a-9d2c-e96451727872@default> <6073a2d5-4024-465d-8293-88ad7f6127ed@default> <87mu172qxb.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgazi550.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26417"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 41250@debbugs.gnu.org, Arthur Miller , Juri Linkov To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 01 03:30:40 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kNnQd-0006i0-94 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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As I > mentioned, "=E2=80=A6" is, for me, useless as an ellipsis. I think > it must be useless for nearly everyone, with a fixed-width > font. I kinda like =E2=80=A6 because it takes up so little space, and the reason = we're normally truncating strings is because they take up too much space. So using that limited space for "..." is counter-productive. But this should be standardised throughout Emacs, and work out of the box automatically on systems that can display the character and not, which makes truncate-string-to-width less than ideal. There also, of course, the issue of "well, if the call says 'truncate to 15 characters', how much should we remove when we add the =E2=80=A6?" Beca= use =E2=80=A6 usually takes a bit more than a single normal character to display, while "..." takes three. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no