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Dmitry's useful overview of the various distributions (thanks) had this, for instance: --- Prelude and Spacemacs: (setq ring-bell-function 'ignore) --- If I understand correctly, this doesn't set `visible-bell', but only uses the default value (which is nil). So changing the default will indeed affect these users (until the distributions update themselves to set visible-bell to nil). > The only people which would see a "more intrusive" bell is those who > keep the default settings but whose environment ends up muting the > audible bell. I don't know how common this is. Me neither -- but just as a data point: In Gnome Shell the customisation element for switching "system sounds" off is prominent, so my guess would be that it's something people do use. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no