From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#7747: Allow choice of "default in M-n" vs "default in `initial'" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 09:33:33 +0100 Message-ID: <87h7979l42.fsf_-_@gnus.org> References: <87oc86fz1z.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17963"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 7747@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 10 10:02:25 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nI5LN-0004Rg-PG for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 10:02:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53066 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nI5LM-0007kU-DE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 04:02:24 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51770) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nI4tu-0005x7-2e for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 03:34:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:59945) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nI4tt-0008F2-Oo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 03:34:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nI4tt-0004aL-ND for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 03:34:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 08:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7747 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 7747-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7747.164448202517582 (code B ref 7747); Thu, 10 Feb 2022 08:34:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 7747) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2022 08:33:45 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53839 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nI4tc-0004ZV-Pr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 03:33:44 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:45814) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nI4tb-0004ZB-KL for 7747@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 03:33:44 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=gCuaMmf6t1PGf16NZo6J8a+vZJKEaBteTMPusTK6Fy8=; b=T5xuBGNDpr7jx1NGfG5TVk/3Lz nTT2hcDqdRPmhlfWpuFYzBJq0gGt2o7UnsuNAhQI3fSjPy9qzmUBK3NtpzJYAQQw5vvH8PG5KX3GB tetXiPCIEH07zq4HaRPpi5Gpo98TK7SsczV7xzNfA/1/7x1txy6T8W2+HL/KeVsq9B+4=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=giant) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nI4tS-0004Ze-8B; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 09:33:37 +0100 X-Now-Playing: Contriva's _If you had stayed..._: "self-service" In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:15:33 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:226570 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: >>> The prompt for `rename-file' does not currently show the old file name >>> thought it is in the history for the prompt. >> >> Please try `M-x rename-file RET M-n'. > > Yes, I know about that. What I mean is that this is very > counterintuitive for new users. They are used to have the name they > are renaming in the prompt (since that is what GUI software normally > do). (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved at the time.) Many prompts in Emacs have moved (or are moving) to the "don't use an initial", but instead puts the thing into `M-n'. There are advantages and disadvantages to this (the main advantage is that you can just start typing without saying `C-a C-k' first if you don't want the default), but it's a conscious design decision which won't be reverted, so I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no