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Thu, 21 Apr 2022 11:09:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83tuamr4fy.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 21 Apr 2022 15:44:49 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:230393 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Since it's a new option, you're just extending the amount of time >> for people to get confused by it. > > Confused in what way? How can the fact that an option appears in an > additional customization group confuse someone? FWIW: we already have two users (Howard and myself) who raised an eyebrow seeing this option in python-flymake, and took the time to write a bug report about it. It's not entirely unlikely that more Emacs 28 users will happen to see this option in that group while perusing the python-flymake group, raise an eyebrow, and write a report. Even assuming they use 28.2, they might not think to check that it is also present in the "python" group, and might do as we did and assume it's a mistake. And even if they see that the option is also in the "python" group, they might not look further than "well that's silly, it shouldn't belong in python-flymake, let's report this". I wouldn't fault them for that. I don't mind your solution and don't want to waste anyone's time with this; I just saw your question and took the bait, since those hypothetical scenarios I describe sound more likely to me than the one you have in mind (IIUC: a user being {accustomed to,fine with,not confused by} this new option being in the python-flymake group). Please dismiss if you're not convinced.