* bug#57449: 29.0.50; does not show "more Fonts" "By Family" when setting default font via menu "Options" --> "Set Default Font..."
@ 2022-08-27 12:41 Gregor Zattler
2022-08-28 1:12 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Gregor Zattler @ 2022-08-27 12:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 57449
Dear Emacs developers,
for me on a very recent Emacs, compiled with
--with-x-toolkit=no, it's not possible to set the default
font via the menu:
1. emacs -Q
2. left-click on "Options" in menu bar
3. select "Set Default Font..."
4. select "More Fonts" (as a side note: The way the font sub
menus are presented mostly overlapping each other is
confusing to me)
5. left-click on "By Family"
6. now the mouse pointer changes from arrow to some circling
thingy which entertains me for round about 30 seconds
7. After no menu appears but the mouse pointer is now a much
smaller arrow and Emacs is unresponsive for another ~ 30
seconds.
8. now Emacs is responsive again, but there was no
possibility to change the default font.
I do not use a desktop environment, but start aewsome window
manager via startx from ~/.xsession (if that's interesting
in this case). There are fonts on this system, xfontsel for
instance says "2084 names match" after startup.
Actually selecting the default font is the one thing I would
like to do with the menu system. So I can cope with lucid
as a build option.
Thanks for your attention, Gregor
In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, cairo
version 1.16.0) of 2022-08-27 built on no
Repository revision: 4015d561c39d29200bf1ac542844fd5f3ba99426
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Ciao,
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Gregor
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* bug#57449: 29.0.50; does not show "more Fonts" "By Family" when setting default font via menu "Options" --> "Set Default Font..."
2022-08-27 12:41 bug#57449: 29.0.50; does not show "more Fonts" "By Family" when setting default font via menu "Options" --> "Set Default Font..." Gregor Zattler
@ 2022-08-28 1:12 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-28 10:27 ` Gregor Zattler
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2022-08-28 1:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Gregor Zattler; +Cc: 57449
Gregor Zattler <telegraph@gmx.net> writes:
> Dear Emacs developers,
>
> for me on a very recent Emacs, compiled with
> --with-x-toolkit=no, it's not possible to set the default
> font via the menu:
>
> 1. emacs -Q
> 2. left-click on "Options" in menu bar
> 3. select "Set Default Font..."
> 4. select "More Fonts" (as a side note: The way the font sub
> menus are presented mostly overlapping each other is
> confusing to me)
> 5. left-click on "By Family"
> 6. now the mouse pointer changes from arrow to some circling
> thingy which entertains me for round about 30 seconds
> 7. After no menu appears but the mouse pointer is now a much
> smaller arrow and Emacs is unresponsive for another ~ 30
> seconds.
> 8. now Emacs is responsive again, but there was no
> possibility to change the default font.
I think the problem is that there are too many fonts installed on your
system. Most menu libraries handle this situation noticeably badly,
since Emacs currently has no way to lazily specify the contents of a
menu.
The reason the oldXMenu is noticably worse off here, than, say, the
Lucid menu, is because it maps a separate window (known as "panes" in
the XMenu library) for each font family. With hundreds of these
windows, the X server becomes noticeably slow, and the menu can be
dismissed after the panes load, if you click outside Emacs in
frustration.
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* bug#57449: 29.0.50; does not show "more Fonts" "By Family" when setting default font via menu "Options" --> "Set Default Font..."
2022-08-28 1:12 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
@ 2022-08-28 10:27 ` Gregor Zattler
2022-08-28 10:56 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Gregor Zattler @ 2022-08-28 10:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Po Lu; +Cc: 57449
* Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> [2022-08-28; 09:12 +08]:
> Gregor Zattler <telegraph@gmx.net> writes:
> I think the problem is that there are too many fonts installed on your
> system. Most menu libraries handle this situation noticeably badly,
> since Emacs currently has no way to lazily specify the contents of a
> menu.
OK, I see, I had >1800 noto font files installed. I purged
them, now fc-cache reports on 110 font directories, which
contain 953 files from which there are 189 truetype files.
Is this considered many nowadays?
Now the font selection was visible. It fills the full
height of my 4K monitor but I have the impression it does
not show all fonts (see below).
In order to achieve a visible change of my default font I
choose Microsoft Comic Sans. But nothing happens, I still
see fira code.
> The reason the oldXMenu is noticably worse off here, than, say, the
> Lucid menu, is because it maps a separate window (known as "panes" in
> the XMenu library) for each font family. With hundreds of these
> windows, the X server becomes noticeably slow, and the menu can be
> dismissed after the panes load, if you click outside Emacs in
> frustration.
I reinstalled all noto fonts and strange enough this time I
see menus, but only some of the noto fonts. I assume there
are more noto fonts, but I cannot see a font which is not
noto. I assume that is, because of the stacked nature of
the layout of the menu there is not enough space on my 4K
monitor for all the fonts.
I wished for a font selection where I can choose among
rendered fonts and their attributes and see the effect of my
decisions before applying them.
Thanks for your attention and helpful explanation; Gregor
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* bug#57449: 29.0.50; does not show "more Fonts" "By Family" when setting default font via menu "Options" --> "Set Default Font..."
2022-08-28 10:27 ` Gregor Zattler
@ 2022-08-28 10:56 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-08-28 12:51 ` Gregor Zattler
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2022-08-28 10:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Gregor Zattler; +Cc: 57449
Gregor Zattler <telegraph@gmx.net> writes:
> OK, I see, I had >1800 noto font files installed. I purged
> them, now fc-cache reports on 110 font directories, which
> contain 953 files from which there are 189 truetype files.
> Is this considered many nowadays?
>
> Now the font selection was visible. It fills the full
> height of my 4K monitor but I have the impression it does
> not show all fonts (see below).
>
> In order to achieve a visible change of my default font I
> choose Microsoft Comic Sans. But nothing happens, I still
> see fira code.
I think some of the panes are being mapped outside the bounds of your
monitor, so you can't see them.
The really important thing here is how many font families you have
installed; the variants are displayed as entires in a pane, representing
one font family.
> I reinstalled all noto fonts and strange enough this time I
> see menus, but only some of the noto fonts. I assume there
> are more noto fonts, but I cannot see a font which is not
> noto. I assume that is, because of the stacked nature of
> the layout of the menu there is not enough space on my 4K
> monitor for all the fonts.
>
> I wished for a font selection where I can choose among
> rendered fonts and their attributes and see the effect of my
> decisions before applying them.
I will try to work on that, but am still rather preoccupied ATM.
Thanks.
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* bug#57449: 29.0.50; does not show "more Fonts" "By Family" when setting default font via menu "Options" --> "Set Default Font..."
2022-08-28 10:56 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
@ 2022-08-28 12:51 ` Gregor Zattler
0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Gregor Zattler @ 2022-08-28 12:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Po Lu; +Cc: 57449
* Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> [2022-08-28; 18:56 +08]:
> Gregor Zattler <telegraph@gmx.net> writes:
>> Now the font selection was visible. It fills the full
>> height of my 4K monitor but I have the impression it does
>> not show all fonts (see below).
>>
>> In order to achieve a visible change of my default font I
>> choose Microsoft Comic Sans. But nothing happens, I still
>> see fira code.
>
> I think some of the panes are being mapped outside the bounds of your
> monitor, so you can't see them.
>
> The really important thing here is how many font families you have
> installed; the variants are displayed as entires in a pane, representing
> one font family.
OK that would explain why I did not see all of them. But
why did nothing happen, after clicking on Comic Sans?
Should I file a new bug report and you close this one?
>> I reinstalled all noto fonts and strange enough this time I
>> see menus, but only some of the noto fonts. I assume there
>> are more noto fonts, but I cannot see a font which is not
>> noto. I assume that is, because of the stacked nature of
>> the layout of the menu there is not enough space on my 4K
>> monitor for all the fonts.
>>
>> I wished for a font selection where I can choose among
>> rendered fonts and their attributes and see the effect of my
>> decisions before applying them.
>
> I will try to work on that, but am still rather preoccupied ATM.
No hurry, I can cope without, this is not at all essential
to me.
Ciao; Gregor
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