From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#61325: 30.0.50; Jokes in GNUS manual Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 12:49:06 +0000 Message-ID: <87h6vkbgot.fsf@localhost> References: <87ttzy7pg1.fsf@localhost> <87wn4u6xj0.fsf@yahoo.com> <873577570z.fsf@localhost> <875yc2s89n.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18932"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, 61325@debbugs.gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 17 13:49:23 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pT0B1-0004hf-4F for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 13:49:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pT0Ak-0003AJ-Ag; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 07:49:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pT0Ag-00035k-Vg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 07:49:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pT0Ag-0004GF-MX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 07:49:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pT0Ag-0001dj-16 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 07:49:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Ihor Radchenko Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 12:49:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61325 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 61325-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61325.16766381236279 (code B ref 61325); Fri, 17 Feb 2023 12:49:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 61325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Feb 2023 12:48:43 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38740 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pT0AN-0001dD-Dn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 07:48:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:51021) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pT0AL-0001cz-Gg for 61325@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 07:48:42 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7194724035D for <61325@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 13:48:33 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1676638115; bh=5nDCt9RemEUSx+UsAJV+r+iMqFrEPKL6Zf8P+luWuQA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=rfe/bdQOcJu3rsnsX5Ir+nI8mdilLgQkkbVQBfIKzHtGlRtZi5rR8sgWF6494KhTo NFOIGYTgMFy7fOP9VDSuUfc5s8+xABWztIgg8Ys8fqmS9UbRln/VL3rejPM94MYuaj zRmzINl2zasjtyGG/OpZPSLSHF8kIS2zwe1+ayUeqUjEmc6z+SIG9/UXyj9HP0BfeM E9dzG8zcL6brsWX+Yrpc5ePuGExvpYb/dpHu0EjQGi0WFMOWGx7WuNZYmmSb6PbvuD LCPLyEVlW2QBphooxN9jXvHRS9sSWp+E5SW1dxQc6GYSKU2/pa8mml9IMLaZWiTqZp RSVQT6cwieoiQ== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4PJBSY4VqYz6tnN; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 13:48:29 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <875yc2s89n.fsf@yahoo.com> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:255885 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > Where are the jokes about politics or race in Emacs documentation? No. I am asking it in more general context. Trying to align my understanding of acceptable and not acceptable jokes. There is a lot of disagreement in the interpretation as we can see, so it would be useful to arrive at a common ground. Ideally, adding the official stance to FSF maintenance policies, to the already existing section on humour. > Anyway, people who find such jokes offensive, instead of taking them in > good humor, are not a ``significant number of people''. They are just > very loud. In my question, I specifically emphasized that I am talking about topics sensitive for large groups of people - whole cultures. > We never did agree to follow their rules. I assume that GNU kind communication guidelines also apply to the manuals. At least to some degree. : Please avoid statements about the presumed typical desires, capabilities or actions of some demographic group. They can offend people in that group, ... ... If other participants complain about the way you express your ideas, please make an effort to cater to them. You can find ways to express the same points while making others more comfortable. You are more likely to persuade others if you don't arouse ire about secondary things. I think that the above two guidelines can be applied to some of the discussed jokes. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at