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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID d2d82d01209e0ddedab2b27e50359952; Thu, 27 Jul 2023 12:29:54 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83lef1naev.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 27 Jul 2023 09:19:52 +0300") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21647 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:266185 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Are people who want to customize Emacs likely to use the > Options->Customize Emacs menu? If yes, why not have this one > additional item there? If no, why do we have that menu at all? Users who need to customize Emacs don't necessarily need help to find their initialization files. > So we are now using a smartphone as the reference platform for making > UI decisions? Smartphones might need a whole new approach to the > Emacs UI, and a bunch of very different UI decisions. They should not > dictate what our UI looks like on desktop and laptop machines. Actually, the amount of horizontal display area available on smartphones tends to reflect that of low-resolution desktop displays and computer terminals. Emacs UI currently works well on either. > When did you last look at modern word processors and their tool bars? > They are, in fact, much more crowded than ours. Nevertheless, each of those items is used frequently enough to justify their placement there. ``Open the configuration file'' is not, at least in Emacs. > We decided it would be a good idea long ago, and are since waiting for > Someone=E2=84=A2 to actually make that happen. IMNSHO, this is more impo= rtant > than having Emacs run on Android (hint, hint). Well, I need the latter, but not the former. So I'm currently more inclined to make the latter happen, sorry :)