bug#67430: 29.1; <Multi_key> is undefined

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* bug#67430: 29.1; <Multi_key> is undefined
@ 2023-11-24 11:10 Francesco Potortì
  2023-11-24 23:47 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Francesco Potortì @ 2023-11-24 11:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 67430

When I run Emacs I can use the X compose key.  Apparently X interprets it so that it is invisible to Emacs, and in fact I cannot see it in the lossage.

When I run Emacs over Xpra, apparently Xpra passes the compose key to Emacs.  I would expect it to do the same as C-x8 does, but this is not the case.  In fact, I get the error message "<Multi_key> is undefined".

I just corrected the problem with (keymap-global-set "<Multi_key>" iso-transl-ctl-x-8-map), but I wonder why this is necessary at all.  I think this binding should be the default.

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In GNU Emacs 29.1 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, cairo version 1.16.0, Xaw3d scroll
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Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101009
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* bug#67430: 29.1; <Multi_key> is undefined
  2023-11-24 11:10 bug#67430: 29.1; <Multi_key> is undefined Francesco Potortì
@ 2023-11-24 23:47 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
  2023-11-25  8:19   ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2023-11-24 23:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Francesco Potortì; +Cc: 67430

Francesco Potortì <pot@gnu.org> writes:

> When I run Emacs I can use the X compose key.  Apparently X interprets
> it so that it is invisible to Emacs, and in fact I cannot see it in
> the lossage.
>
> When I run Emacs over Xpra, apparently Xpra passes the compose key to
> Emacs.  I would expect it to do the same as C-x8 does, but this is not
> the case.  In fact, I get the error message "<Multi_key> is
> undefined".
>
> I just corrected the problem with (keymap-global-set "<Multi_key>"
> iso-transl-ctl-x-8-map), but I wonder why this is necessary at all.  I
> think this binding should be the default.

Multi_key isn't uniformly the Compose key, so I'd rather not make such
rash choices.  My opinion isn't particularly strong in this regard,
however, and perhaps this isn't a one-off.  If anyone reading this has
experienced such problems before, please make yourself known.





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* bug#67430: 29.1; <Multi_key> is undefined
  2023-11-24 23:47 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
@ 2023-11-25  8:19   ` Eli Zaretskii
  2023-11-25 11:10     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-11-25  8:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Po Lu; +Cc: 67430, pot

> Cc: 67430@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2023 07:47:49 +0800
> From:  Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> 
> Francesco Potortì <pot@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > When I run Emacs I can use the X compose key.  Apparently X interprets
> > it so that it is invisible to Emacs, and in fact I cannot see it in
> > the lossage.
> >
> > When I run Emacs over Xpra, apparently Xpra passes the compose key to
> > Emacs.  I would expect it to do the same as C-x8 does, but this is not
> > the case.  In fact, I get the error message "<Multi_key> is
> > undefined".
> >
> > I just corrected the problem with (keymap-global-set "<Multi_key>"
> > iso-transl-ctl-x-8-map), but I wonder why this is necessary at all.  I
> > think this binding should be the default.
> 
> Multi_key isn't uniformly the Compose key, so I'd rather not make such
> rash choices.  My opinion isn't particularly strong in this regard,
> however, and perhaps this isn't a one-off.  If anyone reading this has
> experienced such problems before, please make yourself known.

What other roles does this key play?  And how frequent is each role?

Also, if we bind this key by default as Francesco suggests, what
adverse results could this cause on the systems where this binding is
wrong?





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* bug#67430: 29.1; <Multi_key> is undefined
  2023-11-25  8:19   ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2023-11-25 11:10     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
  2023-11-25 11:18       ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2023-11-25 11:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 67430, pot

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> What other roles does this key play?  And how frequent is each role?

I don't know.  There is generally no other use for it under X, except
perhaps as a modifier key, which if true Emacs won't register key
presses at all.

> Also, if we bind this key by default as Francesco suggests, what
> adverse results could this cause on the systems where this binding is
> wrong?

Nothing beyond the obvious, to wit: Emacs will react to pressing the
Multi_key as though it were bound to iso-transl-ctl-x-8-map.

Thanks.

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* bug#67430: 29.1; <Multi_key> is undefined
  2023-11-25 11:10     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
@ 2023-11-25 11:18       ` Eli Zaretskii
  2023-11-25 13:18         ` Francesco Potortì
  2023-11-26  1:36         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-11-25 11:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Po Lu; +Cc: 67430, pot

> From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
> Cc: pot@gnu.org,  67430@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2023 19:10:15 +0800
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > What other roles does this key play?  And how frequent is each role?
> 
> I don't know.  There is generally no other use for it under X, except
> perhaps as a modifier key, which if true Emacs won't register key
> presses at all.
> 
> > Also, if we bind this key by default as Francesco suggests, what
> > adverse results could this cause on the systems where this binding is
> > wrong?
> 
> Nothing beyond the obvious, to wit: Emacs will react to pressing the
> Multi_key as though it were bound to iso-transl-ctl-x-8-map.

Then maybe we should behave by default as Francesco suggested?  users
which don't like the results could always unbind/rebind the key.
WDYT?





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* bug#67430: 29.1; <Multi_key> is undefined
  2023-11-25 11:18       ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2023-11-25 13:18         ` Francesco Potortì
  2023-11-26  1:36         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Francesco Potortì @ 2023-11-25 13:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: Po Lu, 67430

>> From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
>> Cc: pot@gnu.org,  67430@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2023 19:10:15 +0800
>> 
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> 
>> > What other roles does this key play?  And how frequent is each role?
>> 
>> I don't know.  There is generally no other use for it under X, except
>> perhaps as a modifier key, which if true Emacs won't register key
>> presses at all.
>> 
>> > Also, if we bind this key by default as Francesco suggests, what
>> > adverse results could this cause on the systems where this binding is
>> > wrong?
>> 
>> Nothing beyond the obvious, to wit: Emacs will react to pressing the
>> Multi_key as though it were bound to iso-transl-ctl-x-8-map.
>
>Then maybe we should behave by default as Francesco suggested?  users
>which don't like the results could always unbind/rebind the key.
>WDYT?

In mormal usage, Emacs never even sees <Multi_key>.  I suppose that Emacs, like usual X applications, relies on X to interpret it as a modifier key, and X uses its composition rules.  But Xpra apparently is another piece of cake (at least the version I am using) and it passes the key as-is.  I think that this is unusual behaviour.

If Emacs happens to see <Multi_key>, maybe in principle it should ask X to interpret the subsequent characters using X's composition rules.  I don't know if that's possible in a clean way, I suppose that would not be obvious to do.  Lacking such functionality, I think the only reasonable thing to do is to interpretet is as C-x 8, which has composition rules mostly compatible with those of X.  So in most cases this will be transparent to the user.  I don't see how throwing an error instead can be better.  And yes, in principle users can rebind it.

An alternative would be to bind <Multi_key> to a command which is disabled by default (like for example narrow-to-page), and when enabled does the same as C-x 8.  But I think that binding it by default is simpler and has so rare and technical drawbacks that people caring it about are aware of the issue and can solve it.

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* bug#67430: 29.1; <Multi_key> is undefined
  2023-11-25 11:18       ` Eli Zaretskii
  2023-11-25 13:18         ` Francesco Potortì
@ 2023-11-26  1:36         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
  2023-11-26 10:44           ` Eli Zaretskii
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2023-11-26  1:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 67430, pot

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> Then maybe we should behave by default as Francesco suggested?  users
> which don't like the results could always unbind/rebind the key.
> WDYT?

Sure, no complaints here.





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* bug#67430: 29.1; <Multi_key> is undefined
  2023-11-26  1:36         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
@ 2023-11-26 10:44           ` Eli Zaretskii
  2023-11-28 11:17             ` Francesco Potortì
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-11-26 10:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Po Lu; +Cc: 67430, pot

> From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
> Cc: pot@gnu.org,  67430@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 09:36:43 +0800
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > Then maybe we should behave by default as Francesco suggested?  users
> > which don't like the results could always unbind/rebind the key.
> > WDYT?
> 
> Sure, no complaints here.

Francesco, can you suggest a patch?  I guess the binding should be in
bindings.el?





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* bug#67430: 29.1; <Multi_key> is undefined
  2023-11-26 10:44           ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2023-11-28 11:17             ` Francesco Potortì
  2023-11-28 14:32               ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Francesco Potortì @ 2023-11-28 11:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: Po Lu, 67430

>
>> From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
>> Cc: pot@gnu.org,  67430@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 09:36:43 +0800
>> 
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> 
>> > Then maybe we should behave by default as Francesco suggested?  users
>> > which don't like the results could always unbind/rebind the key.
>> > WDYT?
>> 
>> Sure, no complaints here.
>
>Francesco, can you suggest a patch?  I guess the binding should be in
>bindings.el?

Here you are.  Would plese someone install it for me?

================
2023-11-28  Francesco Potortì  <pot@gnu.org>

	* bindings.el.gz: do something reasonable when [Multi_key] reaches Emacs

================
diff -pub --label \#\<buffer\ \*Shell\ Command\ Output\*\> --label \#\<buffer\ bindings.el.gz\> /tmp/buffer-content-V4r3U2 /tmp/buffer-content-1J4L5p
--- #<buffer *Shell Command Output*>
+++ #<buffer bindings.el.gz>
@@ -981,6 +981,10 @@ if `inhibit-field-text-motion' is non-ni
 ;; suspend only the relevant terminal.
 (substitute-key-definition 'suspend-emacs 'suspend-frame global-map)
 
+;; Usually Emacs does not see this event, as composition is managed by
+;; the desktop manager, but in case it sees it do something reasonable
+(global-set-key [Multi_key] iso-transl-ctl-x-8-map)
+
 (define-key global-map "\C-m" 'newline)
 (define-key global-map "\C-o" 'open-line)
 (define-key esc-map "\C-o" 'split-line)

Diff finished.  Tue Nov 28 12:12:39 2023






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* bug#67430: 29.1; <Multi_key> is undefined
  2023-11-28 11:17             ` Francesco Potortì
@ 2023-11-28 14:32               ` Eli Zaretskii
  2023-11-29 10:25                 ` Francesco Potortì
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-11-28 14:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Francesco Potortì; +Cc: luangruo, 67430

> From: Francesco Potortì <pot@gnu.org>
> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 12:17:25 +0100
> Cc: 67430@debbugs.gnu.org,
> 	Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
> 
> >Francesco, can you suggest a patch?  I guess the binding should be in
> >bindings.el?
> 
> Here you are.  Would plese someone install it for me?

Thanks, but does that really work in a fresh build?  iso-transl.el is
loaded by loadup.el _after_ bindings.el, so when bindings.el is
loaded, iso-transl-ctl-x-8-map is not yet known.  Shouldn't we have a
defvar for it in bindings.el?





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* bug#67430: 29.1; <Multi_key> is undefined
  2023-11-28 14:32               ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2023-11-29 10:25                 ` Francesco Potortì
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Francesco Potortì @ 2023-11-29 10:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: luangruo, 67430

>> >Francesco, can you suggest a patch?  I guess the binding should be in
>> >bindings.el?
>> 
>> Here you are.  Would plese someone install it for me?
>
>Thanks, but does that really work in a fresh build?  iso-transl.el is
>loaded by loadup.el _after_ bindings.el, so when bindings.el is
>loaded, iso-transl-ctl-x-8-map is not yet known.  Shouldn't we have a
>defvar for it in bindings.el?

Mh.  Sorry for the hasty patch.  I'll need to look more deeply into it.





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