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Thu, 17 Oct 2024 21:32:11 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=web.de; s=s29768273; t=1729215098; x=1729819898; i=michael_heerdegen@web.de; bh=ZDcKOKIkESc+LAQVPWWgbF6DwlD9pGkpVk3asj4jemk=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date: Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:cc:content-transfer-encoding: content-type:date:from:message-id:mime-version:reply-to:subject: to; b=QqrfNSZ9mjyJd2hibOleFZbUWeBh/edJ0IoiB/ucVCUpXXaP58wOyMJPuuczoHTt rUrKlmu0FiCaJpUBlBoeo6ndaVK8CTeLB+vfRnr84EPHN7+GOsONIDcy1hYRsNrd3 kb8BT6aTwydmwyK+sgryEh+/8MKF4vt18w7G7hTnfoxzD41Xs/vjbpvchT45Rp+7V PuU6rtkbsYyTmxbCDsvMVoajz4bFB21Py2LbulyIENPNmu3VSBib5a5yC5+8cGlsg AU6WgTdRtFBETIjfFPKicc8aVHQRqdwmDX4tC+dep82pGAD+PImRrr6P5ap94/l0h PNTR4o+JLhb7uuvBDQ== X-UI-Sender-Class: 814a7b36-bfc1-4dae-8640-3722d8ec6cd6 Original-Received: from drachen.dragon ([92.75.138.198]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb106 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MOUxo-1tIhe80Ac2-00PvoT; Fri, 18 Oct 2024 03:31:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: <867ca8r3sw.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 16 Oct 2024 08:54:07 +0300") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:T5MYgSDRJ4ZZjygqskkIheVEjl0X3S9LEBB6HOse5HmTLD5Q6Qa VjLt0n12JhxpSWFBFWTVVbyyYBJ0JZ6IhR1OYe3kTkQwWyz63yyETl4TmLqvK+VJcDdui32 9jI24p14zG9+yZ5QRra2vl/WStzIWOrazz0wnoISetQsosrXbORxmJqKzKCtjCKaCSqArux l5Q0Owy/t5pCJAkDTtIGA== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:1TUWxoRF3a4=;XGf3ozvrpPy2/LJvNjQhss8AYva 9/Q+eUhh0URr+RFcyXi964blp9dJwEWJVaAcNGxZIdMWuEMqasAoogL4XuXiKLNwk5UB/kFkq YXbHQXnrO55zncYMGRrskmvIVfgA9thSWfaOc6MFxkI7WWfccYtgfMPFroE5Rt65N6+pud0Yg T3FLJjyzHaG2Y1vdbPYZh1IFczlaR6jkf3uxD9Nz0c/GNakkAhhQcqMhqWiYsRPZGpziomcLS Fxb7JIOjRLuMNaIMERmkjpz9uDawbc9FF6qL2eyMhFw89tv/VlGr8QOiVG5y4SVNOqWp1xHqD Ey0R8PfBgTwyekzj/AHt6iG4a5gFQlHpzY/IOjPHAGEq07c2cIDw50UMOo9h9QDTXcNo5gwxF tzNvYh9IHUfH8D03tax0iMtPmKN3B3Syqkh3cnpZ1AJwRLqP0XN+YsGUNplu1BGnyBhWHPWNX jBeW3hSk6eDcq8ULONcCHoGRyEgAMqcPRILy2yjrSdRRDcmkQpbt4077O6APX/cvIzQSelJKV d/o6q9alR4l099bK1LLFsQdPipW1DGu7ocLL4lCHAjKI4cFTrTC6v2lguZ6UCFsh1hainA9KE HsqzNBtVADauZDZ7BefYZuaBUMlrEGEQ6dsqfw/wVMeu8B/eo6JKxSW5gZhze738qC9N5oAV8 THrXogjDkKVnQv1W6nsfj6nCQe8Yf2u6Z4t08XiEfz7ATtwjEGe8H7UCAN+azP9rlKefvkEkS h7k1yoNG7FBF7Z7JdE+cITJjc+gWtqldi5+u4Ql2MzZpA3xiVqpWaTjQHRQgfVftNOeCTo4M X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:293755 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Two issues: > > . "last written to" is incorrect if that time stamp was modified by > set-file-times and similar methods > . the interpretation of mtime to mean "newer" (per the function's > name) is problematic/incorrect when a file is copied with the > KEEP-TIME argument of copy-file (and similar facilities of other > commands, like 'cp') > > I'm asking whether we care about these subtleties. E.g., someone > might claim that the second issue above means that > file-newer-than-file-p has a bug. I would say that these things are means available to instruct the file system which times it should report. They don't necessarily collide with the concept. > The current doc string says simply that last-modification times are > compared, and I wonder if that is not better left alone. Or, we could also use that as a clarification of the description of the concept on an internal level? But anyway, if you have a good feeling about the current state I'm also fine with it. Michael.