* bug#19151: 24.4; Batch mode doesn't call package-initialize, can't find packages @ 2014-11-22 22:24 Gary Oberbrunner 2014-11-23 11:26 ` Ted Zlatanov 2014-11-23 16:29 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Gary Oberbrunner @ 2014-11-22 22:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 19151 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1238 bytes --] In batch mode, emacs doesn't load installed packages, although the doc implies that it should. If you want to eval forms that require packages, you have to call (package-initialize) explicitly. For instance, from a shell: % emacs -batch -eval '(progn (message "%s" package-directory-list))' Symbol's value as variable is void: package-directory-list % emacs -batch -eval '(progn (package-initialize) (message "%s" package-directory-list))' (c:/emacs/emacs/share/emacs/24.4/site-lisp/elpa c:/emacs/emacs/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa) Or, since I have the 'dash' package installed in my ~/.emacs.d/elpa: % emacs -batch -eval "(progn (require 'dash))" Cannot open load file: no such file or directory, dash % emacs -batch -eval "(progn (package-initialize) (require 'dash))" % The documentation at http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Startup-Summary.html is not totally clear on this, but it implies that packages should be loaded. In GNU Emacs 24.4.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-10-24 on LEG570 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=/c/usr' Important settings: value of $LANG: ENU locale-coding-system: cp1252 Major mode: Apropos -- Gary [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1883 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#19151: 24.4; Batch mode doesn't call package-initialize, can't find packages 2014-11-22 22:24 bug#19151: 24.4; Batch mode doesn't call package-initialize, can't find packages Gary Oberbrunner @ 2014-11-23 11:26 ` Ted Zlatanov 2014-11-23 16:29 ` Eli Zaretskii 1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Ted Zlatanov @ 2014-11-23 11:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 19151 On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:24:25 -0500 Gary Oberbrunner <garyo@oberbrunner.com> wrote: GO> In batch mode, emacs doesn't load installed packages, although the doc GO> implies that it should. If you want to eval forms that require packages, GO> you have to call (package-initialize) explicitly. ... GO> The documentation at GO> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Startup-Summary.html GO> is not totally clear on this, but it implies that packages should be loaded. I see this in the docs at (info "(elisp) Startup Summary") 15. If ‘package-enable-at-startup’ is non-‘nil’, it calls the function ‘package-initialize’ to activate any optional Emacs Lisp package that has been installed. *Note Packaging Basics::. Seems pretty clear to me. We could use a command-line argument to make --batch more useful, though. Something like --package-initialize, -p Set `package-enable-at-startup' so packages are initialized WDYT? Ted ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#19151: 24.4; Batch mode doesn't call package-initialize, can't find packages 2014-11-22 22:24 bug#19151: 24.4; Batch mode doesn't call package-initialize, can't find packages Gary Oberbrunner 2014-11-23 11:26 ` Ted Zlatanov @ 2014-11-23 16:29 ` Eli Zaretskii 2016-07-02 1:24 ` npostavs 1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2014-11-23 16:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Gary Oberbrunner; +Cc: 19151 > Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:24:25 -0500 > From: Gary Oberbrunner <garyo@oberbrunner.com> > > In batch mode, emacs doesn't load installed packages, although the doc implies > that it should. If you want to eval forms that require packages, you have to > call (package-initialize) explicitly. > > For instance, from a shell: > > % emacs -batch -eval '(progn (message "%s" package-directory-list))' > Symbol's value as variable is void: package-directory-list > % emacs -batch -eval '(progn (package-initialize) (message "%s" > package-directory-list))' > (c:/emacs/emacs/share/emacs/24.4/site-lisp/elpa > c:/emacs/emacs/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa) > > Or, since I have the 'dash' package installed in my ~/.emacs.d/elpa: > > % emacs -batch -eval "(progn (require 'dash))" > Cannot open load file: no such file or directory, dash > % emacs -batch -eval "(progn (package-initialize) (require 'dash))" > % > > The documentation at > http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Startup-Summary.html > is not totally clear on this, but it implies that packages should be loaded. I think this is a documentation bug. package-initialize is not invoked under -q (which I Think makes sense), and -batch implies -q. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#19151: 24.4; Batch mode doesn't call package-initialize, can't find packages 2014-11-23 16:29 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-07-02 1:24 ` npostavs 2016-07-02 8:00 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: npostavs @ 2016-07-02 1:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: Gary Oberbrunner, 19151 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 510 bytes --] tags 19151 patch quit Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: >> The documentation at >> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Startup-Summary.html >> is not totally clear on this, but it implies that packages should be loaded. > > I think this is a documentation bug. package-initialize is not > invoked under -q (which I Think makes sense), and -batch implies -q. Other items nearby explicitly talk about those options, here's a patch to add it for package-initialize as well. Looks ok? [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #2: patch --] [-- Type: text/x-diff, Size: 1208 bytes --] From a656d3ce526fc475a3067599f09b85771ea39ba0 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 21:15:28 -0400 Subject: [PATCH v1] Explain when package-initialize isn't called * doc/lispref/os.texi (Startup Summary): Explain that package-initialize is not called when options -q, -Q, or --batch were passed (Bug #19151). --- doc/lispref/os.texi | 8 +++++--- 1 file changed, 5 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) diff --git a/doc/lispref/os.texi b/doc/lispref/os.texi index 5f189b9..e15eec7 100644 --- a/doc/lispref/os.texi +++ b/doc/lispref/os.texi @@ -155,9 +155,11 @@ Startup Summary option @samp{--batch} was specified. @item -If @code{package-enable-at-startup} is non-@code{nil}, it calls the -function @code{package-initialize} to activate any optional Emacs Lisp -package that has been installed. @xref{Packaging Basics}. +It calls the function @code{package-initialize} to activate any +optional Emacs Lisp package that has been installed. @xref{Packaging +Basics}. This is not done if @code{package-enable-at-startup} is +@code{nil}, nor if the options @samp{-q}, @samp{-Q}, or @samp{--batch} +were specified. @vindex after-init-time @item -- 2.8.0 ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#19151: 24.4; Batch mode doesn't call package-initialize, can't find packages 2016-07-02 1:24 ` npostavs @ 2016-07-02 8:00 ` Eli Zaretskii 2016-07-02 20:50 ` npostavs 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-07-02 8:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: npostavs; +Cc: garyo, 19151 > From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net > Cc: Gary Oberbrunner <garyo@oberbrunner.com>, 19151@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 21:24:45 -0400 > > >From a656d3ce526fc475a3067599f09b85771ea39ba0 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@gmail.com> > Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 21:15:28 -0400 > Subject: [PATCH v1] Explain when package-initialize isn't called > > * doc/lispref/os.texi (Startup Summary): Explain that package-initialize > is not called when options -q, -Q, or --batch were passed (Bug #19151). > --- > doc/lispref/os.texi | 8 +++++--- > 1 file changed, 5 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/doc/lispref/os.texi b/doc/lispref/os.texi > index 5f189b9..e15eec7 100644 > --- a/doc/lispref/os.texi > +++ b/doc/lispref/os.texi > @@ -155,9 +155,11 @@ Startup Summary > option @samp{--batch} was specified. > > @item > -If @code{package-enable-at-startup} is non-@code{nil}, it calls the > -function @code{package-initialize} to activate any optional Emacs Lisp > -package that has been installed. @xref{Packaging Basics}. > +It calls the function @code{package-initialize} to activate any > +optional Emacs Lisp package that has been installed. @xref{Packaging > +Basics}. This is not done if @code{package-enable-at-startup} is > +@code{nil}, nor if the options @samp{-q}, @samp{-Q}, or @samp{--batch} > +were specified. I would rephrase the last sentence: However, when @code{package-enable-at-startup} is @code{nil}, Emacs doesn't initialize packages. When Emacs is started with one of the options @samp{-q}, @samp{-Q}, or @samp{--batch}, @code{package-enable-at-startup} is @code{nil} by default; to initialize packages in that case, explicitly set that variable to a non-@code{nil} value (e.g., via the @samp{--eval} option). The reason is that the additional explicit information about how to initialize packages in this case is IMO valuable, and also we should avoid passive tense as much as possible. Thanks. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#19151: 24.4; Batch mode doesn't call package-initialize, can't find packages 2016-07-02 8:00 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-07-02 20:50 ` npostavs 2016-07-03 4:14 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: npostavs @ 2016-07-02 20:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: garyo, 19151 [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1208 bytes --] Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: >> +It calls the function @code{package-initialize} to activate any >> +optional Emacs Lisp package that has been installed. @xref{Packaging >> +Basics}. This is not done if @code{package-enable-at-startup} is >> +@code{nil}, nor if the options @samp{-q}, @samp{-Q}, or @samp{--batch} >> +were specified. > > I would rephrase the last sentence: > > However, when @code{package-enable-at-startup} is @code{nil}, Emacs > doesn't initialize packages. When Emacs is started with one of the > options @samp{-q}, @samp{-Q}, or @samp{--batch}, > @code{package-enable-at-startup} is @code{nil} by default; to > initialize packages in that case, explicitly set that variable to a > non-@code{nil} value (e.g., via the @samp{--eval} option). Phrasing is alright, but it's factually inaccurate. In startup.el we have ;; If any package directory exists, initialize the package system. (and user-init-file package-enable-at-startup ...[lots more file searching] (package-initialize)) The -q option sets user-init-file to nil. I guess we needn't mention user-init-file by name in the docs as it's an internal detail. Here's a new patch: [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #2: patch2 --] [-- Type: text/x-diff, Size: 1390 bytes --] From b1d2cf2c2ca86151c25d1c59c7eb210179086be2 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 21:15:28 -0400 Subject: [PATCH v2] Explain when package-initialize isn't called * doc/lispref/os.texi (Startup Summary): Explain that package-initialize is not called when options -q, -Q, or --batch were passed (Bug #19151). --- doc/lispref/os.texi | 10 +++++++--- 1 file changed, 7 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) diff --git a/doc/lispref/os.texi b/doc/lispref/os.texi index 5f189b9..ec14b01 100644 --- a/doc/lispref/os.texi +++ b/doc/lispref/os.texi @@ -155,9 +155,13 @@ Startup Summary option @samp{--batch} was specified. @item -If @code{package-enable-at-startup} is non-@code{nil}, it calls the -function @code{package-initialize} to activate any optional Emacs Lisp -package that has been installed. @xref{Packaging Basics}. +It calls the function @code{package-initialize} to activate any +optional Emacs Lisp package that has been installed. @xref{Packaging +Basics}. However, Emacs doesn't initialize packages when +@code{package-enable-at-startup} is @code{nil} or when it's started +with one of the options @samp{-q}, @samp{-Q}, or @samp{--batch}. To +initialize packages in the latter case, @code{package-initialize} +should be called explicitly (e.g., via the @samp{--funcall} option). @vindex after-init-time @item -- 2.8.0 ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#19151: 24.4; Batch mode doesn't call package-initialize, can't find packages 2016-07-02 20:50 ` npostavs @ 2016-07-03 4:14 ` Eli Zaretskii 2016-07-03 13:21 ` npostavs 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-07-03 4:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: npostavs; +Cc: garyo, 19151 > From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net > Cc: 19151@debbugs.gnu.org, garyo@oberbrunner.com > Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2016 16:50:42 -0400 > > >From b1d2cf2c2ca86151c25d1c59c7eb210179086be2 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@gmail.com> > Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 21:15:28 -0400 > Subject: [PATCH v2] Explain when package-initialize isn't called > > * doc/lispref/os.texi (Startup Summary): Explain that package-initialize > is not called when options -q, -Q, or --batch were passed (Bug #19151). > --- > doc/lispref/os.texi | 10 +++++++--- > 1 file changed, 7 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/doc/lispref/os.texi b/doc/lispref/os.texi > index 5f189b9..ec14b01 100644 > --- a/doc/lispref/os.texi > +++ b/doc/lispref/os.texi > @@ -155,9 +155,13 @@ Startup Summary > option @samp{--batch} was specified. > > @item > -If @code{package-enable-at-startup} is non-@code{nil}, it calls the > -function @code{package-initialize} to activate any optional Emacs Lisp > -package that has been installed. @xref{Packaging Basics}. > +It calls the function @code{package-initialize} to activate any > +optional Emacs Lisp package that has been installed. @xref{Packaging > +Basics}. However, Emacs doesn't initialize packages when > +@code{package-enable-at-startup} is @code{nil} or when it's started > +with one of the options @samp{-q}, @samp{-Q}, or @samp{--batch}. To > +initialize packages in the latter case, @code{package-initialize} > +should be called explicitly (e.g., via the @samp{--funcall} option). > > @vindex after-init-time > @item > -- > 2.8.0 Fine with me, thanks. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* bug#19151: 24.4; Batch mode doesn't call package-initialize, can't find packages 2016-07-03 4:14 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-07-03 13:21 ` npostavs 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: npostavs @ 2016-07-03 13:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: garyo, 19151 tags 19151 fixed close 19151 25.1 quit Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > > Fine with me, thanks. Pushed as dec75675 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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