From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#11028: 24.0.94; bad lighter and menus for `text-scale-mode' Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:01:01 +0200 Message-ID: <87fuu5kf36.fsf@gnus.org> References: <0F3DD8B617604CB59C5138747164263F@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1461852151 26789 80.91.229.3 (28 Apr 2016 14:02:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 14:02:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 11028@debbugs.gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 28 16:02:20 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1avmWH-0005gH-7I for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:02:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49338 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1avmWG-0006wS-Hh for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:02:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48592) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1avmW8-0006pB-RH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:02:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1avmW2-0001eb-QL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:02:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:40835) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1avmW2-0001eX-N8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:02:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avmW2-0008RP-9h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:02:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 14:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11028 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 11028-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11028.146185207330132 (code B ref 11028); Thu, 28 Apr 2016 14:02:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 11028) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Apr 2016 14:01:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53172 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avmVB-0007mP-R7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:01:13 -0400 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:39975) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avmV7-0007io-I2 for 11028@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:01:09 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1avmV4-0005Z3-Kj; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:01:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: <0F3DD8B617604CB59C5138747164263F@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:54:49 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:117065 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: > I appreciate the intention of keeping the lighter short, but currently > it is meaningless, if not misleading, to users. They need to fiddle > around to find out what it means. > > The lighter text is " " by default (but fortunately an all-space lighter > is not shown). I think that's by design. There is no lighter for text-scale-mode when you haven't scaled anything. I think that's natural. > When you scale the text the lighter changes to a signed integer, such > as "-1" or "+3". > > Seeing only that does not help users, unless they've already figured out > what it stands for. It just makes them wonder, especially if they do > not notice the lighter immediately after they change the text scale. > > You put your mouse over the lighter, to see what's up. The tooltip > says only this, of course: > > Minor mode > mouse-1: Display minor mode menu > mouse-2: Show help for minor mode > mouse-3: Toggle minor modes I think all those mode menus should say what modes they belong to, yes, instead of just "Minor mode". > Not much help so far. You try mouse-1 and see this menu: > > -1 > ------------------- > Turn Off minor mode > Help for minor mode > > ("Off" should not be capitalized, BTW.) > > Which minor mode? No idea still. Yeah, that's not good. > This menu would be better if it included (at least the scaling) items > from the menu shown by `S-mouse-1', i.e.: > > Change Default Buffer Face > -------------------------- > Change Buffer Font... > Increase Buffer Text Size > Decrease Buffer Text Size > Reset to Default True. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no