From: Marcin Borkowski <mbork@mbork.pl>
To: Otso Rajala <ojrajala@gmail.com>
Cc: 24197@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#24197: Removing lisp/play from standard Emacs package
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 19:06:12 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fuqcsge3.fsf@mbork.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABFCWTP51EdMPtQqGpHODvEN2NEHBSe7o2=URH2qmU4j7LTD8w@mail.gmail.com>
On 2016-08-10, at 15:43, Otso Rajala <ojrajala@gmail.com> wrote:
> Emacs is primarily used as a text editor. Toys shipped in lisp/play directory
> are fun, no question about that. Do they belong into core disribution of Emacs
> is another question.
>
> Problems:
> 1) They increase package size.
> 2) Their existence clutters M-x <tab> autocomplete lists: example M-x bu <tab>
> has all things buffer, but also shows bubbles and butterfly, hardly useful
> during editing process.
How am I supposed to do any serious coding without M-x butterfly???
> 3) Tools > Games is a bit confusing: games are not tools by definition.
Games are tools for solving problems with the developer's mood.
> 4) Help > Psychotherapist is toy in documentation menu.
That is clearly a mistake - psychotherapy is Serious Business.
> Advantage of solution:
> 1) All problems go away
This can also be accomplished with M-x doctor. No need to tamper with
Emacs distro.
> 2) Simple lisp game sources now easily accessible right from common browser
> for fun & inspiration without having to download 56M tar.gz editor with them.
But in order to have a browser (eww), I have to download the editor anyway.
> 3) Fair towards other toys, considering sokoban and wpuzzle are there but don't
> ship by default.
Ah, I've got you here! How much did the authors of sokoban and wpuzzle
pay you? ;-)
> - Otso
SNCR,
--
Marcin Borkowski
http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski
Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science
Adam Mickiewicz University
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-08-10 17:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-08-10 13:43 bug#24197: Removing lisp/play from standard Emacs package Otso Rajala
2016-08-10 16:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-08-11 5:27 ` Richard Stallman
2016-08-10 17:06 ` Marcin Borkowski [this message]
2016-08-10 18:39 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-08-10 20:30 ` Ivan Shmakov
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