From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#17338: bug#17391: Bug#745553: emacs24-el: mml2015-always-trust should default to nil, not t Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:17:23 -0500 Message-ID: <87fuk52yyk.fsf@alice.fifthhorseman.net> References: <20140422190613.18043.21415.reportbug@alice.fifthhorseman.net> <877g6eilsp.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <53640041.7070703@fifthhorseman.net> <87k29jvyzc.fsf@gnus.org> <87a8aehpf8.fsf@informationelle-selbstbestimmung-im-internet.de> <87a8aenaqe.fsf@alice.fifthhorseman.net> <87a8add5ye.fsf@informationelle-selbstbestimmung-im-internet.de> <871svpobsx.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1485472838 23876 195.159.176.226 (26 Jan 2017 23:20:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 23:20:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 745553@bugs.debian.org, 17338@debbugs.gnu.org, Justus Winter , 745553-forwarded@bugs.debian.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen , 17391@debbugs.gnu.org, rlb@defaultvalue.org, "Neal H. Walfield" To: Daiki Ueno , Jens Lechtenboerger Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 27 00:20:33 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWtKs-00042o-Ip for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Jan 2017 00:20:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41963 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cWtKx-0004cR-Hi for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:20:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44553) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cWtKo-0004c8-PJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:20:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cWtKk-0004TT-RN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:20:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:48426) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cWtKk-0004TI-Od for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:20:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWtKk-00053g-Kd; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:20:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 23:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 17338 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 17338-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B17338.148547277219354 (code B ref 17338); Thu, 26 Jan 2017 23:20:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 17338) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jan 2017 23:19:32 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46612 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWtKG-000521-8J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:19:32 -0500 Original-Received: from che.mayfirst.org ([162.247.75.118]:52764) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cWtKF-00051W-6S; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:19:31 -0500 Original-Received: from fifthhorseman.net (unknown [38.109.115.130]) by che.mayfirst.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B2EA9F997; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:19:29 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: by fifthhorseman.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 328B3206C3; Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:17:27 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <871svpobsx.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:128629 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu 2017-01-26 14:34:22 -0500, Daiki Ueno wrote: > Jens Lechtenboerger writes: >> The mml code is based on EasyPG by Daiki Ueno (cc=E2=80=99ed). EasyPG m= akes >> use of sub-keys and their IDs for encryption commands, instead of >> relying on GnuPG=E2=80=99s selections. > > It was suggested by Werner to do key selection in Emacs, like GPGME. I > don't know whether GPGME changed the logic though. I don't know what this means -- i don't think that GPGME itself does key selection. Can you tell me more? Presumably users who use emacs with gpg also use gpg with other tools (possibly even other MUAs), or even gpg on its own. Collecting key preference data in multiple places while sharing the underlying key store seems like a recipe for synchronization problems and confusing behavior, particularly for folks who don't know how the tools fit together. >>> Modern versions of GnuPG also provide a "tofu" mechanism to store and >>> track that kind of decision in. Neal Walfield (also cc'ed here) put in >>> a lot of that implementation, so he might have some suggestions for the >>> best way to handle it. > > I'm afraid I wouldn't do any work toward tofu at this level of quality; > in particular, until they reach the consensus whether tofu is only > activated when encryption is triggered by an email address. I don't think i understand this either. Can you explain more about what you need from the GnuPG TOFU code? 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