From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#30347: smtpmail.el doesn't retry with authentication when greylisting is used Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 14:45:46 +0200 Message-ID: <87fu3urog5.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> References: <878t9o9ych.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87efjfkxkx.fsf@gmail.com> <8736zvyopn.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <87r2nejf62.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1523969049 2688 195.159.176.226 (17 Apr 2018 12:44:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:44:09 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 30347@debbugs.gnu.org To: Rainer Orth Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 17 14:44:05 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f8Pxt-0000aP-DR for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 14:44:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36642 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f8Pzz-0006Tf-Uf for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 08:46:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52721) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f8Pzr-0006ST-W1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 08:46:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f8Pzm-0001TL-EF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 08:46:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:48936) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f8Pzm-0001T7-At for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 08:46:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f8Pzm-00072Z-3b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 08:46:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30347 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 30347-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30347.152396915927055 (code B ref 30347); Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:46:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 30347) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2018 12:45:59 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56833 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f8Pzi-00072I-Rm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 08:45:59 -0400 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:46995) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f8Pzg-000729-W7 for 30347@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 08:45:57 -0400 Original-Received: from 46.67.12.60.tmi.telenormobil.no ([46.67.12.60] helo=corrigan) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f8Pzc-0001wW-Lk; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 14:45:55 +0200 Original-Received: from larsi by corrigan with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f8PzW-0000eO-Mh; Tue, 17 Apr 2018 14:45:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87r2nejf62.fsf@gmail.com> (Robert Pluim's message of "Tue, 17 Apr 2018 12:33:25 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:145484 Archived-At: Robert Pluim writes: > I=CA=BCm not sure I follow: the user has a matching machine in authinfo or > wherever they keep their passwords, and the SMTP server advertizes > AUTH support. Why would we not attempt authentication? Because Emacs doesn't know that the user has a password entry in ~/.authinfo.gpg until the user has type the password. (If the user is using password-protected ~/.authinfo files without a password agent, that is.) Since most SMTP is still unauthorised, "opportunistic" password sending may not be welcome. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no