From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#37485: 27.0.50; C-m in describe-bindings Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:07:44 +0200 Message-ID: <87ftknym8v.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87sgooroa4.fsf@gnus.org> <83k19zpwtx.fsf@gnu.org> <8736gnb8mk.fsf@gnus.org> <83h853ouqi.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="125787"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 37485@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 23 19:08:11 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iCRoo-000WcM-Vn for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:08:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60062 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iCRon-0002Mq-Uo for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:08:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39116) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iCRoh-0002Mi-6P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:08:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iCRog-00030Q-1c for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:08:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:56409) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iCRof-00030M-Up for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:08:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCRof-0008GS-Ms for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:08:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 17:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37485 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 37485-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37485.156925847131747 (code B ref 37485); Mon, 23 Sep 2019 17:08:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 37485) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Sep 2019 17:07:51 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36997 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCRoU-0008Fz-NR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:07:51 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:40824) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iCRoS-0008Fq-GA for 37485@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 13:07:48 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iCRoO-00016z-V1; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:07:47 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83h853ouqi.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:14:29 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:167028 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I'm not sure I understand... > > I meant that users usually press RET, not C-m. You've done a poll? :-) >> Both RET and C-m are keys we press, but the intended (both mnemonic and >> ergonomic) key stroke here is `C-c C-m c' (etc) and not the awkward `C-c >> RET c'. > > Call me awkward, then. But do you use RET instead of `C-m' in these keystrokes because that's what `describe-bindings' say or because you prefer to hit `RET'? Anyway, I've grepped through the *.texi files, and there are 152 matches for `C-c C-m ...' and 8 for `C-c RET'. And all of those 8 are for RET as the final character in the keystroke. If you expand to "C-. C-m"/"C-. RET" it's 170/20. (All those additional ones are from mule.texi.) It seems the mode writers' intentions are pretty clear: They mean for the users to type C-c C-m ..., but `describe-bindings' tells them to type C-c RET. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no