From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#37829: 27.0.50; Overlay behaviour changed without documentation. Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 18:49:23 +0200 Message-ID: <87ftjne50s.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87d0erssxl.wl-all_but_last@163.com> <83mudv65jd.fsf@gnu.org> <87tv83fz0n.fsf@gnus.org> <83h843644k.fsf@gnu.org> <87blubfxq9.fsf@gnus.org> <83d0er62y7.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="212870"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 37829@debbugs.gnu.org, all_but_last@163.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 20 18:50:15 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iMEPH-000tGX-G1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 18:50:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40918 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iMEPG-0002UM-76 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 12:50:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35111) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iMEP6-0002Sj-1n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 12:50:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iMEP3-0000kB-Vj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 12:50:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46377) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iMEP3-0000jv-O7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 12:50:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iMEP3-0007SS-Jx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 12:50:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 16:50:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37829 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 37829-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37829.157159017128629 (code B ref 37829); Sun, 20 Oct 2019 16:50:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 37829) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2019 16:49:31 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55198 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iMEOY-0007Rf-Ut for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 12:49:31 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:51750) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iMEOX-0007RX-Mc for 37829@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 12:49:30 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iMEOR-0001Db-Vg; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 18:49:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83d0er62y7.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 20 Oct 2019 15:01:20 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:169838 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > The idea behind this feature was that most faces shall not be > extended, so doing it the opposite way would mean we need to change > the definitions of an unlimited number of faces, including those not > in core. We do not have to change anything not in core -- whether people want the new, more convenient behaviour, is up to them. And there certainly aren't unlimited places we have to change thing in-tree, because most things in-tree look just how we wanted them to. > I suggest to run with it for some time, you may change your mind. It > happened to many of us. I know that the new interface is convenient -- I'll be able to ditch a bunch of code in shr that works around the problem. But that's just it -- this is what everybody has done forever, and have ended up with code that does exactly what they want it to. (I.e., placing a face on newline to extend the face to the end of the line.) >> We do that because that's the way we wanted the display to look. If we >> didn't want that, we didn't put the face on the newline. > > Others said the exact opposite: that they want to be able to do that > without having the face extended. With the new interface, they can do that, whatever the default is. The question is whether Emacs should do this massive, extremely user-visible (with very ugly results) thing by default. I think no. > Also, the automatic extension in Emacs 26 and before behaved > inconsistently in GUI and text-mode frames, and even between different > attributes (color vs underline, for example). Well, the only attributes where it makes a difference are background colours and underline, surely? (Well, and overline, but nobody uses that.) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no