From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Deus Max Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#37926: [PATCH] Unify Gnus select methods Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 16:52:19 +0200 Message-ID: <87ftj672l8.fsf@dellcorei5dias.home> References: <87zhhoh9kn.fsf@dick> <87a79mcmoi.fsf@gnus.org> <87y2x62gnf.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87ftj68kfe.fsf@dellcorei5dias.home> <87zhhenzc4.fsf@dick> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="219810"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , 37926@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen , Deus Max To: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 02 15:53:38 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iQumY-000v5H-1U for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:52:27 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87zhhenzc4.fsf@dick> (dick r. chiang's message of "Sat, 02 Nov 2019 10:10:35 -0400") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:fEmWrtRyY4ugy9gf7cAuiH6ZI4hDwlVYLVTgcaENcbP1b+aPNfS 6bPitHqfY/hohDuoWwRWZ6sibNcv5vrh+9gSShmM2mAeoZXBW7zVnHfRgJKpHG9FM1KQlWS 72zyCD4oF8bxgi8SCw3Fv3TddVDzpTkY+tyucPbh6fecrXGIJOsZx0LVX7FSdeAgtVmNW5E Ww3Q54cakWPM8w04Eqi4Q== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:CauIl9oy5qM=:Rj7qNllp/Hl4fuv7WQA6cD GCZwX85nSnBl3LRBsD7OXnqN+w705DoohmNpdx1V89vPeOs7cAVTuZ6B9JLlmMv/YrJjeay4S VnyqwsLTgKsRUSaux5RS/XILFSlq4lXZSLlC83gz7Dbn02X7M3NOtTgj08b7/1ebBHo5/sIwS QcHDMrYkWlMVNyHO3LM+bZvWdLEu8zij4q20iC04qozFR++Chc7X3oKvqbxt2asFOfo828ouR goEuPTJdO/vIcspWdVIGgpsdnLcvtJJte6M1BFuE/9ZEHf/6to0Ba/AujkxJjn6SEYuBoRaYN RWcGY7WYoXaUThVz5769zPWdBIM1EqPykuDgUCKH0QcTd0lHYe/oWx4x6s4R63j9QEmW5Nz5U stgkeomjz8Ud3H6UMVmhQz1ylwc0EkkykrOHHR65qcufBTzjqExhzDSQpBDZIokDyV7xsRJUu m9LacqnM5Ygsi8wnQHZxPE9GE9vKPJIMnUW580sFu/c3zV10gljPymCTRh5ei70Qg4xpdahu0 lz+cuNezC9NMaI3CpAZsRo4Mogrskx+AAgn2owf1+0YsKsdP/uyFXCnn8xz4y2Z9uU7mhXDEN TFP7D940c3o3OPBNz6l34bMYdgNvQNjho95Vjn60xKn8g87iqBrth/s6uKicMusvbg+jPfcFC tacd4Jiuubj1bo3kdJ2xLUexeicu5pvsEf0tB05GBg+rHhmzCpT4JpjsNolLp0poC2FRNDYZV npfxOQMRGy8ZKEk4jKCX7SWf/3P6713UxiROlZ4jU5xf47nIs4WcC/nXLY0yorAgZFsJs+yh X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:170808 Archived-At: On Sat, Nov 02 2019, dick.r.chiang@gmail.com wrote: > One, to reiterate, the patch at hand is a useability improvement, protecting new users from > the byzantine distinction of primary/secondary, and preserving the distinction > internally for backwards compatibility. Some have argued keeping the internal > distinction makes the patch unworthy of the risk, to which I am sympathetic. > You agree it is a usability improvement and that the current behaviour is a byzantine distinction. Sometimes to move forward, you have to break continuity. Especially with byzantine practises, old OSes, etc., etc. > Two, with mild effort, I could fully eliminate the distinction without user > guidance or manually rewriting newsrcs. Such a change exacerbates risk. Which is probably not mild. As you will discover from the many-many bugs that follow.