From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#51335: 29.0.50; Use warnings facility for reporting Gnus errors Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 11:33:22 -0700 Message-ID: <87fssp3qfh.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <87sfwtxa6w.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87o87e46bv.fsf@gnus.org> <87k0i13qng.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39328"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: 51335@debbugs.gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:MWzrMYldR7KvFJbLyqfTZ9+KtRo= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 25 20:34:24 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mf4ng-000A0n-Mp for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2021 20:34:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49022 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mf4nf-0002MN-8y for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2021 14:34:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60920) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mf4nK-0002LI-Cu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2021 14:34:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:60965) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mf4nK-0002cY-4O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2021 14:34:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mf4nJ-000781-TX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2021 14:34:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87sfwtxa6w.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Resent-From: Eric Abrahamsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 18:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51335 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.163518682127373 (code B ref -1); Mon, 25 Oct 2021 18:34:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Oct 2021 18:33:41 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44278 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mf4my-00077R-O3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2021 14:33:40 -0400 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:52178) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mf4mx-00077J-4O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2021 14:33:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60814) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mf4mw-00029E-4K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2021 14:33:38 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:59280) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mf4mu-0002CR-NR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2021 14:33:37 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mf4mo-0008oW-NQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2021 20:33:30 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:218335 Archived-At: Eric Abrahamsen writes: > On 10/24/21 20:37 PM, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: >> Eric Abrahamsen writes: >> >>> - Calls `ding'. This function returns nil on my system, dunno if it does >>> anything on other systems. >> >> (ding) gives a beep and/or flashes the "visual bell", but many people >> has switched off both -- so you get neither. >> >>> That means there are only >>> three places where the `message' isn't immediately swallowed by whatever >>> comes next (and there's almost always another message coming next), >>> which really means there are only three places where `gnus-error' does >>> anything different from `gnus-message'. >> >> Well, it depends on how you've configured your messaging level... > > But both `gnus-error' and `gnus-message' consult the same verbosity > option, so they're not really much different. Though to be clear I'm not advocating getting rid of either of these now, nothing that drastic. I'd like to put the basics in place, get some feedback from users, and see what makes sense.